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fell in love with the layout in this months RM supplement so thought i`d have a go at Temploting it. try as i might, i can`t fit it at EM gauge into an 8ft x 2.6ft rectangle as described. comments?

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tony polman wrote: fell in love with the layout in this months RM supplement so thought i`d have a go at Temploting it. try as i might, i can`t fit it at EM gauge into an 8ft x 2.6ft rectangle as described. comments?


Hello Tony

Not got access to the RM supplement so not sure where you are starting from. Any chance of a uploading an image of the layout?

Derek

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tony polman wrote: fell in love with the layout in this months RM supplement so thought i`d have a go at Temploting it. try as i might, i can`t fit it at EM gauge into an 8ft x 2.6ft rectangle as described. comments?


First comment: Buckingham was 12.5' x 2.5' so you won't fit it into 8' x 2.5'

Second comment: your track plan looks nothing like the Denny Buckingham, mk1 or mk2.

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Alan Turner wrote:
tony polman wrote:

Second comment: your track plan looks nothing like the Denny Buckingham, mk1 or mk2.

Alan


Alan

Likewise I didn't recognise it as based on Peter Denny's layout either. I assumed based on something else thus my comment earlier.

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It's the original Buckingham, which Peter Denny built 1945-48, nothing like the later editions. It's shown in the Wild Swan book. The whole layout occupied a 15'x14' room. Of the Buckingham bit, the platform roads were straight, and the bit up to and including the turntable was about 7'6" long. As they left that bit the exit tracks were angled at about 45 degrees and the scissors crossover (one the original plan) was on the next baseboard, leading to the main on the left and the branch to Stony Stratford on the right.

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By the way, as well as the scissors crossover mentioned above, the bottom platform road featured an engine release crossover.  The second platform road was mainly to release engines, and maybe provide extra capacity on market day etc., what looks like a third platform road was just a goods road.

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Still don't recognise it. From what I recall the platforms, goods sidings and the loco sidings were all predominently straight.

However if you move the TT in closer to the approach curve that will save quite a bit on length, straighten out  the platform and sidings roads, tighten up the approach curve and it would probably just fit in. Try 36" (1945-1948 speak!) as a working radius for your curvature.

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I just had a quick go at this, and...

...I have to think that the RM plan is wrong!!!  There are basically train set curves in there (although I'm conscious of the fact that this was built in 1947).  Sorry, but it's unworkable by today's standards, if the track plan is anywhere near accurate :(

Er, ok, where did [img]"> come from and where did the piccy go?  Let's try again!





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Just had a go at the original sketch in the Wild Swan book. Look's very similar to the one Paul is working from, except it has the extra release crossover from the bottom platform. Think the answer is that Peter Denny was quite happy working with fairly sharp radii when he considered it necessary, after all he was setting his own standards and constructing everything to fit. The engine release spurs though I think may have been drawn too short, as I don't think they'll take a tender loco.

By the way, a funny problem. This is the first time I've seriously tried to work over a background plan. The plan in the book I reckon is 1cm = 1ft. So I scanned it, and used a scale factor of 30 which I think's correct. But the plan seems to end up too small i.e. if the main bit is 7.5 ft long then I reckoned it should come out at 3000 mm, but it comes out at 2250mm. Any ideas?

Also first time I've used 0.91c in earnest, used 0.74b in the past. Like the snap function! Works like a treat.

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Nigel Brown wrote:if the main bit is 7.5 ft long then I reckoned it should come out at 3000 mm, but it comes out at 2250mm. Any ideas?Hi Nigel,

:?

7.5ft is 2286mm

Martin.

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Good grief! It's no good, I'm past it!!  Think I was trying to do a 4mm/ft conversion on the 7.5ft, or something ....

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Nigel

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Paul Boyd wrote:  if the track plan is anywhere near accurate :(It isn't! I've just got my Wild Swan book out and there are a few "deviations" from the both the Wild Swan published plan (which I assume is P Denny's work), Photographs of the layout and the plan in RM.

For a start the turnout into the engine shed is a split deflection "Y" and the two turnouts in the entrance to the platform road is in fact a "3-way", not separate as shown, which will save space.

However as has been pointed out, you have to accept that Buckingham is "of its time". It was really "00" with the rails at 18mm spacing.

Nevertheless I consider that "Buckingham" is one of the most inspirational layouts to date. I still have June 1963 RM with the pictures of Buckingham Mk2. The photograph looking down the platform, with the gas works in the background, is the most evocative picture of a model railway I have ever seen. It says to me Railway.

Rural idylls are not for me, good as the craftsmanship of Pendon is, it does not do it for me.


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Alan Turner wrote:Rural idylls are not for me, good as the craftsmanship of Pendon is, it does not do it for me.Hi Alan,

in that case, don't miss the smashing layout which Gordon S of this parish is creating: :)

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/3422-eastwood-town-update/

regards,

Martin.

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Returning to this topic because I have come across a fascinating bit of Buckingham on video:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/cornwall/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8700000/8700293.stm

Martin.

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That was lovely! As the article ends with, "...for true enthusiasts, it's the work of a genius".
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