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topic: 1272Sleepers/timbering at track panel joints
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posted: 15 Oct 2010 20:13

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wcampbell23
 
Hamilton, Scotland - United Kingdom

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I am trying to find out about the use of wider timbers at the joins in 60 feet standard track panels.

I have recently purchased 8'6" scale ply sleepers and the packs include a proportion of 12" timbers, as well as the usual 10" sleepers, for use as end timbers.

I would be grateful for any information about the use of differently sized sleepers/timbers at track joints.

My own project is based on an ex-Caledonian line in the early 1950s and so any responses directly relating to Caley practice would be helpful.

Thanks in anticipation.

Bill Campbell.

posted: 16 Oct 2010 18:17

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BeamEnds
 
 

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This lot may be able to help...

http://www.crassoc.org.uk/

Cheers
Richard

posted: 16 Oct 2010 23:08

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Jim Guthrie
 
United Kingdom

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BeamEnds wrote:
This lot may be able to help...

http://www.crassoc.org.uk/

Cheers
Richard
Richard,

Unfortunately,  the Caledonian Railway Association does not have a lot of information about Caledonian track.  Either it was not well documented,  or what documentation there was has disappeared.

It is also well known that pre-Grouping practices carried on in the LMS in Scotland,  being well away from the influence of Derby.   I often wonder if that might not have caused the problem,  with the pre-grouping practices being maintained by word of mouth to avoid attention being drawn to them. :D

Jim.

posted: 19 Oct 2010 19:33

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lindsay_g
 
United Kingdom

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I would agree with Jim Guthrie's point regarding CR trackwork not being well documented. I've failed so far in coming across any written factual material. However, I would say that by the 1950's virtually all traces of original CR track would have long disappeared.

Having studies photos of CR track long and hard, I've yet to come across evidence of larger timbers at track joints. I do have a tracing from a plan of a Caley turnout (from the National Archives of Scotland) and can say that it contains no 12" timbers - it is fully interlaced with 9' x 10" timbers. I also have some plans for NBR pointwork and they only used 12" timbers on diamonds or slips.

posted: 20 Oct 2010 19:21

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phileakins
 
Swanage - United Kingdom

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lindsay_g wrote:
I would agree with Jim Guthrie's point regarding CR trackwork not being well documented. I've failed so far in coming across any written factual material. However, I would say that by the 1950's virtually all traces of original CR track would have long disappeared.

Having studies photos of CR track long and hard, I've yet to come across evidence of larger timbers at track joints. I do have a tracing from a plan of a Caley turnout (from the National Archives of Scotland) and can say that it contains no 12" timbers - it is fully interlaced with 9' x 10" timbers. I also have some plans for NBR pointwork and they only used 12" timbers on diamonds or slips.

Modern British Permanent Way, CJ Allen (1915)

Caledonian Rly

48ft lengths of 90lb rail, 19 sleepers per length, specifically no special joint sleepers or chairs.

Phil



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