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topic: 1429"Plan Y"
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posted: 22 Mar 2011 00:59

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Ian Allen
 
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I've just spent almost a week working on a grand plan for a friend who is looking to have a re-design of his current garden railway which will involve putting more of the railway into a building. This will allow for running more months of the year than current. Templates aren't all finished as I have quite a bit of timber shoving to do !    
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posted: 23 Mar 2011 09:51

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Looks good, what happens outside?

posted: 24 Mar 2011 11:27

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It's probably as intended, but.... in 'winter mode' you can't get back to the terminus in the middle without setting back - is that meant to be?

posted: 24 Mar 2011 19:10

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Ian Allen
 
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At bottom right of the plan are the connecting lines to another "shed", double track to a mainline station, inside double track rising to a high level station for the "electric" services, and three tracks (double main and goods loop) leading to another small station and goods yard. These are all laid with Peco and a couple of Markway double slips and will be staying as they are.

The single line off the junction at top left will continue to run up to the present Bexhill, which will become a dedicated goods yard and occassional excursion destination.

The through station in the new building is replacing the existing one with all new trackwork. The terminus "New Bexhill" is also a new design, but has been developed so that signalling at the current Bexhill can be re-deployed. The single linking line is an addition to allow running to commence whilst the outdoor loop lines are built.

After a phone call last night, I've had a busy afternoon, altering some of the new terminus station pointwork !!

 
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posted: 29 Mar 2011 00:46

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Ian Allen
 
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Well, after a few hours of timber shoving, I now have this for the station approaches to the New Bexhill....
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posted: 29 Mar 2011 07:50

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An impressive piece of work so far. With that complexity of trackwork, I'd have used 31.5mm gauge to improve running quality.

It should prove to be a ery interesting build though.

Regards

Raymond

posted: 29 Mar 2011 10:55

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Ian Allen
 
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I'd love to do it as 31.5mm, but as it is for a friend I have to maintain 32mm gauge standards, especially as the railway has a lot of "visiting" stock running throughout the year.

posted: 29 Mar 2011 11:10

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Ian Allen
 
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Raymond,

Forgot to ask...do you like the layout for our New Bexhill station ?

Regards

Ian

posted: 29 Mar 2011 13:13

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Hi Ian,

I think the layout is great and should provide some interesting operation as well as look professional. Certainly looks better than the current Bexhill station layout.

One of the major benefits of using 31.5mm gauge is that any finescale stock will run though it but without dropping wheels when negotiating crossing vees. There is no requirement for altering the back-to-back so, if you still have the opportunity, I'd go for it not just for the superior running but the superior look too.

I build an experimental crossover to test out 31.2mm gauge some time ago (you can see it on my website) and it is possible to push a wagon through the crossover, blindfolded, and not be able to detect where the crossings are. It will be the same for 31.5mm.

Regards

Raymond

posted: 2 Apr 2011 00:33

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Ian Allen
 
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As you can see, progress is slowly being made on the station approach at New Bexhill. Once it's fully complete and has the go-ahead, some mad fool expects me to actually build it......lol.
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posted: 2 Apr 2011 07:03

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Raymond
 
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I'd suggest making all your templates 'no timbering' until all the rails are as you want them. You will need only a few of the major templates then to convert back before you start timber shoving. It does make sorting out the crossings and partial templates much easier I find.

An ambitious scheme, I look forward to seeing it up and running at an exhibition sometime.

Regards

Raymond

posted: 2 Apr 2011 20:27

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Ian Allen
 
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Hi Raymond,

It is a bit of a pain timber shoving (shuffling) but in some ways it can be quite testing for the old grey cells, so I don't mind the challenge.
Unfortunately, this layout will not be transportable, so no exhibition circuit for it I'm afraid.
Photos though during construction and when installed, but that is a long way off at the moment.

Ian

posted: 28 Apr 2011 00:28

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Ian Allen
 
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Some photos of the railway as it currently stands within the other buildings. Quickly took these last night, so more to come over the next few weeks to whet your appetite's.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianallen2009/sets/72157626467480449/

posted: 24 Dec 2011 19:14

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Ian Allen
 
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Well after the work of April, there have been some changes made to the plan of how it will be constructed. The two lines with no timbering shown are now going to be "tunnelled" as cut and cover, rather than on a viaduct as intended which means the junction to the left of Coulsdon has changed too. The approach to the goods yard has also been altered. One advantage of the tunnel option is that the steepest gradient is relieved from a 1 in 72 to a 1 in 86. Once again, still more work to complete re-timber shoving etc.
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posted: 31 Mar 2012 19:30

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Ian Allen
 
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Just returned home after our group AGM. The plan for the railway has been voted through, so work on building pointwork will commence soon. Suffice to say that since my last post there have been some amendments and alterations and I've broken the whole scheme down into manageable parts for construction.

Ian
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posted: 4 Apr 2012 00:24

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Ian Allen
 
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Guess what, I've made another alteration. The diamond crossing bottom right on the plan is now a switched diamond after doing a little research into when they were first introduced. This will negate any issues of wagons trying to change direction through the crossing. Even though the tolerances will be finer than the current Marcway crossing, I thought I'd better play it safe :-)

Ian

posted: 25 Jun 2012 14:23

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Ian Allen
 
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The first junction to be built for Plan Y, O-MF standard. B9, B8 and B7 make up the formation.

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0.7mm brass wire inserted in holes drilled into the rail for electrically connecting the stock and turnout rails to the appropriate switch blades.

Ian

 
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posted: 13 Oct 2012 19:23

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Ian Allen
 
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Things are progressing with the "new build" :

Outdoor baseboards with covers prior to dismantling

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Track lifted and baseboards ready for clearing of debris

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"Tunnel" baseboards removed allowing this view through what was once Coulsdon

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Baseboards removed and backscene being taken down

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Finally, the remains of the "garden facilities" shed leaning against the fence ready for removal

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Switched diamond point blade test fitting. Rail is chemically blackened before installation

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Switched diamond with stock rails bent to shape and the crossing point blades being checked for alignment

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Ian

 

posted: 14 Oct 2012 14:43

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LSWRArt
 
Antibes - France

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What rail are you using and what method / chemical are you using for chemical blacking the rail? Thanks, Arthur

posted: 14 Oct 2012 16:51

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Ian Allen
 
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Hi Arthur,

I'm using nickel-silver rail from C+L and Carrs metal black for steel to chemically blacken the rail.

Ian

posted: 16 Oct 2012 11:55

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Ian Allen
 
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Setting out of the scissors crossover has started in preparation for the actual build. As can be seen, some rails have already been chemically blackened. The others will be done before chair threading !

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This is build number 4 of the plan.

 

Ian

posted: 3 Nov 2012 13:22

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Ian Allen
 
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The curved scissors is now virtually complete, apaprt from some cast brass chairs, tie-bars and fishplates....

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posted: 4 Jan 2013 20:08

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Ian Allen
 
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The build has started, as it were:

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Ian


 

posted: 4 Jan 2013 20:44

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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That's looking great Ian, thanks for posting your progress. :)

Martin.

posted: 22 Feb 2013 20:47

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Ian Allen
 
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More work has been undertaken, with more to follow this coming weekend, hopefully. 1951_221543_460000000.jpg1951_221543_460000000.jpg There are still a few check rails to be fitted to the diamond crossing and the point leading from it.

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 Ian  
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posted: 28 Feb 2013 23:55

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Ian Allen
 
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This week has seen the following laid:

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There are still a few check rails and chairs to fit as well as fishplates, but it is progressing nicely.

Ian

posted: 12 Apr 2013 15:17

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Ian Allen
 
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This last week has seen more cosmetic work being carried out and the running lines are now all connected up at the "bottom" end of the railway.


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Ian

posted: 20 Apr 2013 00:14

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Ian Allen
 
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Work progressing to the other end of the railway. The point is inside the new build and the tunnel mouth hides the hole where the branch line passes through the gents facilities !

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The effects of lens compression makes the gradient look steeper than it is. I also need to "relieve" the kink inside the gents.

Ian

posted: 24 Apr 2013 23:32

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Ian Allen
 
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The coal depot roads are now laid, which means except for one point, all track in Phase 1 of the build is laid.

Ian


 

posted: 22 Jan 2014 23:41

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Ian Allen
 
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A little update.
Work has now started on Phase 2 of the build, and that involves the terminus station which runs along the other side of the shed. It is replacing the original complex which is going to be re-configured.

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The underlay has been fixed in place and the templates glued to it with carpet adhesive.
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We've also been checking the position and projected size of the new goods shed by using the current one. The new one will be about twice as long.
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Ian
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posted: 23 Jan 2014 00:00

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This image shows one of the three relay cases which will be used for traction feed switching based on route setting protocols. This particular case controls one half of the through station, using 24 relays. there are also a number of single pole relays, as well as an OR Gate, which are switched by signals and are mounted under the baseboards.

Case shown still in the throes of wiring up using 4 x 25 way D type connectors.
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Ian
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posted: 29 Jan 2014 01:44

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Ian Allen
 
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Some more work, and the first points built using Debs' 31.5mm roller gauges.

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More ballasting has started on previously laid pointwork too.

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Ian

posted: 2 Feb 2014 01:19

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Ian Allen
 
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Work has started on the next phase of the build....

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A little more ballasting too, courtesy of our esteemed Chairman...

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Ian

posted: 2 Feb 2014 01:22

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Martin Wynne
 
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That's looking good Ian. :thumb:

Martin.

posted: 5 Feb 2014 13:56

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Lovely workmanship, Ian!
The flangeways do look so-much finer when laid to 0-MF standards.

posted: 21 Feb 2014 00:27

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Ian Allen
 
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Well the Butanone finally got to me, but I have broken the back of the station throat complex !!


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Couldn't have done it without Templot....or the gauges from Debs :-)

Ian

posted: 21 Feb 2014 03:54

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Martin Wynne
 
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That's brilliant work Ian. :thumb: Many thanks for posting the pics and progress reports.

I hope that was in jest about butanone? It's nasty stuff and I find the pong too awful to work with.

Martin.

posted: 21 Feb 2014 07:15

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Phil O
 
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Hi Ian

That is some very nice S & C that you have built there, it flows beautifully.

Cheers Phil

posted: 21 Feb 2014 11:20

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Ian Allen
 
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Martin Wynne wrote:
That's brilliant work Ian. :thumb: Many thanks for posting the pics and progress reports.

I hope that was in jest about butanone? It's nasty stuff and I find the pong too awful to work with.

Martin.


Thanks Martin,

It proved a bit of a headache, without the butanone, and some bits could have gone better, but a 4 wheel van, a coach and a rigid chassis 4-4-0 go through ok.

Yes the Butanone comment was in jest, but it did go well with the Pimms :-)

Phil,

Thank you sir :-)

Ian
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posted: 12 Mar 2014 19:51

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Ian Allen
 
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The latest formation has been built and is now fixed in place.

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Ian

posted: 19 Mar 2014 04:01

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Ian Allen
 
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Some more photos of recent work:

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Ian

posted: 6 Mar 2016 14:14

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Ian Allen
 
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Well, it's finally got to the state where all points are complete, barring some additional check rails and a tie bar.

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 All that is left to do now is lay the coal stage line and the roads off the turntable for the engine shed.

Ian
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posted: 6 Mar 2016 14:27

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Ian Allen
 
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Ian

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posted: 8 Mar 2016 08:24

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Phil O
 
Plymouth - United Kingdom

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Ian

That trackwork in the station throat is absolutly smashing.

Phil
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posted: 8 Mar 2016 19:03

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Ian Allen
 
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Phil,

Thank you, very kind. I wouldn't rush into building it again ! Lol

Ian

posted: 28 May 2016 22:46

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Richard Spratt
 
Stockton-upon-Tees - United Kingdom

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What lights are you using for the Coulsdon C NX control panel?

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Ian Allen
 
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Hi Richard,
They are a 24v type as fitted to the original panels. I'm  not sure of exact type but will find out.
Ian



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