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Hiya Martin ,

Whilst attempting to plan a fiddle yard, I realised that I was repeatedly performing a similar operation and posited that it could have been somewhat simpler if there was an additional option on the 'geometry'->'peg positions' dialogue to move the peg over the notch - which is greyed out unless and until, the notch is within the bounds of the control template. I had a look round the other menus, but either couldn't find it or didn't realise the wording represented what I wanted to achieve.

TIA ,

Best rgds ,

Dave P

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Hi Dave,

I'm afraid you have lost me. Can you explain in more detail or post a screenshot showing what you are trying to do? The geometry > notch > shift onto notch menu item is never greyed out. You can always shift the peg on the control template onto the notch -- but of course it takes the whole control template with it. It doesn't change the position of the peg within the template.

I think you are trying to move the peg to a new position within the control template? There is only one notch, it is referenced from the trackpad grid, not the control template. It is not part of the control template, so changing the peg position within the control template to be over it doesn't make sense.

Here are the available pre-set peg positions within a template. You can also create a user-defined peg position:

 

Can you say which is the greyed-out option that you mean?

regards,

Martin.

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Hi Martin
Are there any instructions how to create a user defined peg position? For example, to roll it along centre line and how do you choose which centre line to use on a turnout?
Thanks
Arthur
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LSWRArt wrote: Are there any instructions how to create a user defined peg position? For example, to roll it along centre line and how do you choose which centre line to use on a turnout?Hi Arthur,

See:



The shortcuts are on the keyboard number pad. Use CTRL+F8 mouse action to move the peg along (or just press 8 on most keyboards).

The peg free option lets you move it anywhere on the template, not necessarily on the rails. Use CTRL+F8 mouse action to move it about.

When you have it where you want it, you can define that position as the user position. A below.

To return the peg to that user position at any time, B below.

To enter the peg position as dimensions, C below.



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Martin. 

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Hiya Martin ,

It may be, probably is, my mis-use of the the Wonder that is Templot, but found I was repeatedly creating transition curves that exactly overlaid turnout background templates (extending beyond the turnout by a considerable margin) and then trying to use the notch as a marker for the appropriate peg position on background template e.g. make transition curve, save and background, make turnout control, move peg to <Ctrl><0>, <Ctrl><9>, etc., move notch under peg, save and background, make transition control, -->move peg over notch<--, split at peg, delete unwanted new template ... repeat until done.

There, hope that's slightly more readable - looks good in preview anyway :-)

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Hi Dave,

I'm afraid I'm not much clearer what you are trying to achieve. :( Can you post a screenshot or a .box file?

If you want a turnout on an existing transition curve template you can simply insert a turnout in the template. Then roam it along to wherever you want it, not necessarily within the transition zone. You can then if you wish split off any approach or exit track as separate templates.

Or if it is special custom turnout you can use the align functions instead to align it over the transition template.

Or if the turnout position came first, you can change it to a transition curve template, extend the length of it, and then adjust the position of the transition zone markers beyond the turnout or change radii as required.

It's all much easier than what you seem to be doing.

A screenshot would be a big help. :)

regards,

Martin.

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Hiya Martin ,
Sorry for the delay in replying ... not had access to my Templot laptop 'til now. Anyway, PFA a screenshot of a simplified situation whereby I've created a transition curve from the straight to the curved section and put the notch under the peg at one end of the transition curve - my intent is/would be to save & background the transition curve, make the straight the control and then split the control at the peg - I have a habit of focussing on the peg and attempting to change lengths and going the 'wrong' way to bring the end of the template into view.
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Hi Dave,

Thanks for the screenshot.

The make transition function creates the transition alignment for you, but leaves to you the task of adjusting the template boundaries to whatever you want.

Quite often the initial templates are simply dummy templates to be deleted after the transition template has been extended to replace them, as in this Jing video:

 http://screencast.com/t/bcL6Uu2uKtM

Then you can perhaps insert a turnout in it, roam it to where you want it, and split off additional templates for further work, like this:

 http://screencast.com/t/2ayrwECC

In other situations you may want to retain the initial templates, in which case you would shorten the new transition template to the required boundary, like this:

 http://screencast.com/t/yx92CFuh

perhaps also adjusting the length of the initial templates if needed.

In addition there are options at geometry > peg positions > to put the peg on the start or end (length) of the transition zone, after which you can make split at peg if that is more useful.

I'm sorry the videos are so scruffy, I'm no longer able to make smooth mouse movements.

regards,

Martin.

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Aha ,

Well there you go - the missing link found :-)

I didn't realise the capability to keep the transition template as control whilst modifying/deleting the background template. Having now discovered that, is there no case for a |extend to background template boundary| option - just asking :-D

BTW, I think that you should think yourself lucky if you think that you're videos are jumpy, they're an order of magnitude smoother than my operation of Templot itself :-D

Thanx again for the world of Templot and indeed all your support - which I shall wear always :-D)
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pointo1d wrote: is there no case for a |extend to background template boundary| option - just asking :-DHi Dave,

There is certainly a case for it, and I have more than once tried to write it. The problem is allowing for all possible cases, and choosing the required boundary. Already it is necessary to ask the user which of the two possible transition hands are needed. To illustrate the scope for trouble, what should Templot do with a case like this:



where the nearest original boundary is actually within the transition zone, where the rails would not align. Whereas extending the template all the way round to the other boundary produces a somewhat unlikely result.

In many cases only the user knows what he is doing, so Templot leaves it to him to create what he wants. Provided two templates are on the same alignment, it doesn't actually matter if they overlap slightly, or there is a slight gap between them, at the boundary. So shortening or extending the transition template can be done quite quickly, often quicker than a lot of confusing questions from Templot asking which end of which original template should be used.

I will have another go at this one day, but I know from past experience that every single possible case has to be allowed for (as above). Otherwise it is a cast iron certainty that someone somewhere will get in a terrible muddle. In my own development version of Templot there are quite a lot of useful extra functions like this, but I dare not release them because they are not sufficiently robust against user error. I had the irregular diamond functions in use for several years before I was able to release them in Templot2.

regards,

Martin.

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