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3 Oct 2014 21:50

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello Martin, one and all.

I've uploaded some images of my progress on the trackwork for Yeovil Pen Mill so far. Progress has been pretty slow of late as I'm building the shed where the layout is going to live as well at the moment and this from scratch, so until that is finished further track making will be limited.

The photos are all of the MPD between the junction. I'm going to try to lay it and ballast at the same time which the more I think about it the more nerve racking it is. I'll report back once I've summoned up the courage to put sleeper to wood glue...



Early stages with most of the timbers in place and some rail laid in. At this early stage I was constructing the crossings in situe. I've now copied the idea of a chap on this site who makes all the crossings bonded to the wing rails with thin brass strip unsoldered underneath which makes a very solid job of it!




A friend, Dave Doe, told me in no uncertain manner that my ideas of using bent wire to provide the hinge for the loose heeled switches was very poor engerneering practice and generally a no no. I conceded defeat and actually found using 8BA or 10BA nuts soldered to the bottom of the sleeper rather satisfying to do. The appropriate bolt recessed bolt in the sleeper top produces the hinge to which the rail is soldered.




and here is the switch blade about to be soldered in position.




this shot shows the basic point work in an almost finished state. Just the trackwork to finish and crossing wires installed, before taking outside to spray. It also shows in exaggerated form, the distinctive dogleg produced by the loose heel of the switch.
 



Sprayed and wired, the track is very fragile in this state so I took a tip from Iain rice and soldered some rail across the point work to reinforce it . All I've now got to do is get up the courage to lay it in a bed of glue and ballast it all in one just like Norman Solomon!!


Martin

I'm aware that this isn't strictly 'correct' continuing in 'Baffled beginners' part of the forum. Would you prefer that I put this under track building topic instead? If so, is it possible to move it if it is more relevant elsewhere?

Kind regards and thanks for this really fantastic program.

Andrew


3 Oct 2014 22:14

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Martin Wynne
West Of The Severn, United Kingdom



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Hi Andrew,

Good to see your progress. :thumb:

As you can see, I have moved your message to start a new topic.

Your previous topic on track planning Yeovil Pen Mill is at:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=2326&forum_id=22

regards,

Martin.

10 Oct 2014 21:28

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Richard_Jones
Heswall, United Kingdom



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Hi Andrew

Very impressed....

Keep up the good work

best wishes

Richard

25 Oct 2014 21:45

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello Richard and Martin

Thanks for the encouraging and kind comments.

Much appreciated

Kind regards

Andrew

26 Sep 2015 18:12

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Yeovil Pen Mill update Sept 2015

I thought I'd post a couple of pictures of my progress in the garden, even if layout progress has been minimal in the last 6 months or so. The shed for the layout was quite a challenge. not having ever built anything this size from scratch before(22' x 11') I thought at various points over the last year (I started it in August 2014) that I'd bitten off more then I could chew. But I seem,with quite some help from my middle daughter Jeanne, to have almost got there now. It's even got power and heating in it but as you can see from the interior shot, with a work bench and a band saw, there isn't room to finish the baseboards which will go down the centre of the room! Ho hum.






This shot shows the very wide roof which over shoots on the right hand side(hidden by the bushes) by 4' to provide cover under it for garden tools etc. I'll report more as time and progress dictate.

Kind regards

Andrew

19 Feb 2017 19:58

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello Everyone

I've started to make a little more progress now with Yeovil track work. I've still not stuck down and ballasted the MPD track to its baseboard for a variety of reasons, but I have built the next base board joining the MPD which is the double junction board.

I thought it might be of interest to describe the methods I've used for this as its rather different to the approach that I started to take with the MPD. With that I'd built the track on sleepers double sided to the paper templates with the intention of removing the template at the end (which I did) and then laying the lot "Norman Solomans style " in one go and ballasting...job done! Well I still haven't plucked up the courage to do this, so...

I then got interested in Howards Bolton's method of building track with the crossings pre fabricated directly on a spare template which in part is what I've followed in this next board which you'll see in the photos below. I say partly because I'd already stuck down the sleepers with double sided tape again intending to do the same as I had before.

This time however I did not remove the template at the end of the track building, I just lifted it off its temporary construction board and stuck it in place with some "3M stuff" (does anyone know of an alternative glue that sticks well but allows adjustment before it goes off?) that did not swell the paper and sticks like the proverbial. This time I've stuck it directly to the baseboard (another departure from before when I used 3mm cork) which is 12mm MDF sealed with a coat of paint to prevent / reduce swelling and shrinkage which in turn is mounted on four 90mm high supports which in turn sit on the layout sub base(18mm ply).

Why did I go for such a complicated set up? My need / requirement here is to have the layout broken up into sections 3' to 4' long so that I can build each section in the comfort of our main living room and so that if there any problems in the future I can remove a section from the main layout in the shed and bring it into the house to work on. Luckily for me I'm married to a pretty tolerant woman who still seems to be very fond of me despite my rather eccentric hobby. Maybe its something to do with her training as a psychotherapist, I think I'm probably an interesting case study for her...can't otherwise understand why she should put up with a bit of trainset on the end of our dining table week in week out?

Anyway domestic arrangments apart, back to the layout. Here are few pictures of what Ive been describing above...if I can recall how to upload?



This view shows the underside wiring including the servos for turnouts controlled by the Megapoints electronics which seem rather like magic to me....!




Yeovil point rodding under construction last month. Unlike Howards point rodding mine doesn't have to work luckily, as even this non working set up took an age to do. Incidentally I used Modelu point rodding stools which really are  quite exquisite models (if  only I could see all the detail!) Howards cranks, compensators etc and Eileen's metre long 0.4mm straight brass wire( this may have been a mistake as I've since read that brass gets damaged easily and perhaps nickel silver would have been stronger).

I'm getting rather strange effects on the computer screen now so I think I'll quit whilst I'm ahead and try and upload this as it is.

Kind regards

Andrew


20 Feb 2017 05:45

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Martin Wynne
West Of The Severn, United Kingdom



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Hello Andrew,

Many thanks for the update. Good to see such progress. :)

It's nice to see the rodding being built into the pointwork as you go. On many layouts this gets left to last and considered part of the scenic department.

And since no-one commented on your shed, may I add belatedly that looks to be a very inviting place to build a railway. And the pictures are a pleasant reminder of summer, on what here was a very grey day.

regards,

Martin.

20 Feb 2017 15:37

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Nigel Brown
 

 

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Thought the shed looked inviting as well. What form of heating are you using for it?

Cheers
Nigel

20 Feb 2017 17:29

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello Martin

Thanks for your comments on both the point rodding and the shed. it probably is unusual to see rodding put in at this stage but having been influenced by Howards methods and hearing some unhappy stories from people who tried to install it after ballasting I think I'm glad I did it at this stage.



As to the problem that I emailed you about last night resulting in your questions about pasting from Word and was I using IE or Edge?





I was using Internet Explorer 11(I think...last one before Edge) but no it wasn't pasted from Word. I think I've been using IE 11 for a number of years and don't recall having this problem before? I presume that you don't feel the photo size was the problem at about 2MB?





As an experiment I'm uploading another photo here which is only about 600KB. We'll see what happens but I'm still using IE 11.



Later I'll try Chrome and upload a larger image to see how that does.




Kind regards

Andrew


You'll notice that I haven't infact uploaded the image because as soon as I did it went funny as it had last night so I deleted it. I'll try Chrome later!








20 Feb 2017 18:13

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Nigel Brown wrote: Thought the shed looked inviting as well. What form of heating are you using for it?









Cheers




Nigel
Hello Nigel

I'm using a 190w green house heater which gives background heat all year round. And for those days when its freezing and I'm working in there I have a little 2kw heater which is ususally set on 1kw. I can get away with so little heat because the floor has 4" of insulation in it and the walls and roof  6" and although Imade up the windows myself I did buy double glazing units for them as well. In fact the door which is curved has also got insulation in it as well...a bit mad or anal but I really enjoyed the whole experience of building it.



Kind regards

Andrew

20 Feb 2017 20:34

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Martin
This image is uploaded from Chrome. It shows the Yeovil junction board which may make more sense of my description of the construction that I posted yesterday. But it's only 610KB. 
Andrew


20 Feb 2017 21:03

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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And this one is from Chrome but about 2MB in size.
This shows the track and rodding sprayed and I'm almost ready for ballasting. But before I do that I must test it out electrically with a loco. Problem is all my locos bar a mongrel 43xx Mogul are still in 16.5mm gauge from my original Maiden Newton / Yeovil layout in 00. And that one loco doesn't have pick ups fitted let alone a chip fitted. It is just visible in this photo bottom left, but looks a bit sorry for itself sitting there tenderless....

1 May 2017 21:34

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello everyone
Uploading these photos almost drove me round the bend tonight. Try as I might I couldn't get the captions to work or get the pictures to load in anything other then haphazard order.....!!!!
So anyway here's a bit more progress with the MPD. 
I'm using a London Road Models  turntable 50' (although it should only be 44') which is turning into a very nice model and its driven by a Chatham models turntable drive which, so far has proved a relatively easy install once I'd got the wiring the correct way round! 
The track that I built 3 years ago went down surprisingly easily although I've not rested it yet under power. Like the junction I'll be using Megapoints controller and servos to switch the turnouts. Handily there are four spare ways on the junction board that will deal with them. This time though I'm going to use conventional micro switches to change the polarity of the crossings. 
I hope the chronology is reasonably clear. 

Andrew















6 May 2017 19:45

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello everyone

A bit more progress on the turntable. The top photo shows a Mainline Mogul with the cab and fire box cut off and a spare Mitchell cab and firebox substituted. When its finished I hope itll be difficult to tell it from a real Mitchell Mogul? Anyway its sitting the almost finished Turntable bridge, just the far handrail stanchions to add and we'll almost be there.



The lower photo shows the gound work progress around the turntable area along with the well stone wall.

Andrew









Last edited on 11 May 2017 20:00 by Andrew Duncan
9 May 2017 08:22

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ScottW
Perth, United Kingdom

 

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Lovely work, Andrew, very inspiring.

Looking forward to the next update.

Scott

11 May 2017 19:58

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello Scott

Thanks very much for your kind comment. I'll post more as I progress!

Kind regards

Andrew

24 May 2017 16:37

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Michael Henfrey
Loughborough, United Kingdom

 

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Very impressive. Can I ask, What did you use to get the colours of the sleepers and chairs looking like that in the 6th post down. It looks about spot on for what I am aiming for.

Cheers
Last edited on 24 May 2017 16:40 by Michael Henfrey
27 May 2017 23:00

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Michael Henfrey wrote: Very impressive. Can I ask, What did you use to get the colours of the sleepers and chairs looking like that in the 6th post down. It looks about spot on for what I am aiming for.

Cheers
Hello Michael
Thanks for your comments. It's been over two years since I built this track but from memory having built it, whilst still attached to the paper template I fist sprayed it with grey primer which sticks well to wood and metal and provides a good neutral lightship background for further colouring.

 I then took  it out into the garden and gently attacked it with my airbrush using a mid grey brown for sleepering and a darkiskish rust colour for the rail sides. It now needs further colouring with dry brushing and powders or ground pastels to give it some variation in colour and, as this is an MPD then a bit more grime and filth. I think that when in doubt keep it light in colour and under state. 
Kind regards 
Andrew

6 Jul 2017 20:39

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello everyone

At the end of the month I'm treating myself to a Missenden Abbey summer retreat so hope to be reporting some decent progress on my return, fingers crossed!

Kind regards

Andrew

10 Aug 2017 21:07

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello Everyone
Well I'm back from a great week at Missenden Abbey. Did I achieve my aim of making some significant progress? Well yes I did although I must admit it doesn't look that impressive, but on the other hand building point work with C&L components is not a quick process and my hopes that I might return with a baseboard largely complete evaporated in the first few days there! 

On the other hand Tony Gee (one of the tutors) showed me how he build the crossings with a simple set of gauges, that allowed me to make my first really reliable crossing (the bit I always find the hardest to do consistently where the wing rails and knuckles line up with point of the V) and that was probably the biggest single move forward for me.

Add to that seeing how other modellers do things or just store their tools and materials is an education in itself. So thanks go to Tim, Barry, Pat (who allowed me to borrow and ruin his cutting mat), David, Mark, Chris who organises the whole thing and Simon( who I think follows this thread) for all your help support and kind comments. Edit. I realise i missed out Mick Bonwick who provided the spray booths and who could do quite astonishing things with an airbrush!

Below are a couple of photos of progress to date on that board.




Here is view looking south towards the platforms with the up and down main line running either side of the carriage siding in the centre of the picture and on the left a row of three turnouts giving on to the marshalling yard area directly opposite the platforms.




and here's a view in the opposite direction with the platform (when its built) immediately on the left of the turnout and my "dodgy trackwork detector wagon" about half way down the board.  This is a lovely example of how Templot enables beautiful curved trackwork to be built in a way that I would never achieve left to my own devices.  
Great program Martin, thank you.

Kind regards,

Andrew


Last edited on 5 Sep 2017 21:38 by Andrew Duncan
5 Sep 2017 21:30

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Hello everyone A bit more progress here on the base board above. I'm now working on the last three turnouts on this 


baseboard.of the layout. 

 When I was at Missenden Abbey earlier last month both Tony Gee and Mark Tatlow suggested a very similar "hidden tie bar arrangement" which as these three turnouts are near the front of the layout I thought I may try out.I'll let you know how i get on.

Andrew
Last edited on 5 Sep 2017 21:31 by Andrew Duncan
13 Sep 2017 10:48

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Richard_Jones
Heswall, United Kingdom



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Hello Andrew,

Once again, very impressed by your progress :thumb:(and depressed by the lack of any on my project! :()

I had a quick look back through your thread and don't think I have missed it, but could you provide any more details of your "sub-baseboard" (my terminology) that allows you to work on "manageable" piece of trackwork, and how that integrates/assembles into the overall layout (or point to where I missed it! :cool:)
many thanks
Richard :D
Last edited on 13 Sep 2017 11:24 by Richard_Jones
13 Sep 2017 18:59

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Richard 
I'm sorry to hear that you're not making the progress that you'd have liked but when you last updated Singleton you'd been drawn down the 7mm path which I'm sure is a fascinating alternative to 4mm, it would be great to see any progress there?

I popped down the garden earlier to take a couple pictures that may at least partially answer your question. The layout  is hung off Spur shelving brackets screwed to the walls, so that there are no legs to get in the way and take up precious space in my shed. The brackets support a bed of 18mm ply cut approximately 2' (600mm) deep (from back to front ) that goes all around the perimeter of the shed with a lifting flap at the door. 

On top of this shelf the various layout baseboards (between 3'6" & 5'0" long ) sit approximately 3.5" (90mm) above that surface supported on 3" X 1" batten topped and tailed with strips of 12mm ply about 3" wide. The ply tops to these supports also provide the method of joining the various baseboards together. I'll take a photo of that later, if I can, to make it clearer. 
Now nearly every time I load pictures something goes awry so I'll keep my fingers crossed that I don't lose the lot so may do this in two or more posts.
Kind regards
Andrew 





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13 Sep 2017 19:15

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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Richard
Just to finish off this post, you know I think the reason I've been able to make the progress that I have, is a lot to do with this type of construction. It enables me to be sat in the main family room where we live most of the time pottering around with stuff whilst still be relatively sociable. I don't have to disappear off into the loft or cellar or shed! Anyway here's another picture. If I'm still unclear please do ask. 
Andrew

13 Sep 2017 21:23

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Andrew Duncan
Reigate, United Kingdom



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PS
I realise that looking at these pictures that you might be wondering what happens at the front of the layout? I'm intending to use a sort of Iain Rice / Barry Norman / Flintfields type of jigsaw scenery which will plug into the 90mm gap between the 18mm ply shelf and the underside of the baseboards themselves. 
Andrew

13 Sep 2017 21:47

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Richard_Jones
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Hi Andrew,

many thanks for your informative and interesting reply - its a very nice concept, but as Singleton won't have a permanent home, I will have to fall back on single self supporting baseboards, but keeping them to a manageable size so that I can work on one (or two) at a time in the kitchen/utility room.
As (lack of) progress is again about to be impacted by a 3 month trip to the Southern Hemisphere, visiting family, I wondering if I can get one or two vehicles and tools in my luggage to work on whilst I am away - many years ago I took my portable workshop (by plane) to the North of Scotland and although it raised a few eyebrows at security, it was allowed through - not so these days!
best wishes
Richard

13 Sep 2017 22:24

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Andrew Duncan
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Hello RichardI hope you have an enjoyable time down south and perhaps get in some gentle modelmaking as well. 
Bon vacances. 
Andrew


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