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topic: 2837Banner printing
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posted: 29 Jan 2016 17:09

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johnbirch72
 
Buntingford - United Kingdom

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I would like to print quite a large layout on a banner roll. I don't have a roll printer but my local Prontaprint shop does. 
They would like a PDF, so I set Templot to print all templates on banner roll and printed to a PDF. However the Prontaprint output was a set of separate A0 sheets. 
How do I create a PDF that will print continuously?

posted: 29 Jan 2016 17:40

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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johnbirch72 wrote:
They would like a PDF, so I set Templot to print all templates on banner roll and printed to a PDF. How do I create a PDF that will print continuously?
Hi John,

You need a PDF containing the entire track plan in a single page. Change the page sizes on the PDF export dialog accordingly:

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That's at output > export a file... menu item.

However, if the print shop is using Adobe software (highly likely, even though there is much better PDF software available), don't set a size much longer than about 3500mm* / 12ft. The Adobe software may not work with it. (Other PDF software does. :( )

If your layout is longer than that, set about 3500mm, and Templot will export multiple pages. Each one will have to be printed separately.

*unfortunately I have never managed to determine the exact page limit in Adobe.

You can check whether it is going to work, before visiting the print shop, by opening the PDF file in Adobe Reader. Templot will do that for you after creating the file (if you have Adobe Reader installed as your PDF reader). If you can see it, it will print.

p.s. don't set a page width wider than the roll paper, obviously. Allow about 20mm for the margins. 

regards,

Martin.

posted: 29 Jan 2016 18:19

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johnbirch72
 
Buntingford - United Kingdom

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Martin

Many thanks for the quick reply. I can create pages up to 5000mm long. At 6000mm all I got was blank pages. Whether that was Templot or Acrobat I can't say.

It should make laying out the templates a lot simpler.

John

posted: 29 Jan 2016 19:01

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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johnbirch72 wrote:
I can create pages up to 5000mm long. At 6000mm all I got was blank pages. Whether that was Templot or Acrobat I can't say.
Hi John,

It's not Templot.

Here for example is the far end of a PDF page 24000mm (80ft) long (see the grid label).
0 gauge track.

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Displayed instantly in my preferred PDF reader with no problems at all -- PDF XChange Viewer:

 http://www.tracker-software.com/product/pdf-xchange-viewer

But almost certainly your print shop is not using that (unless maybe you are in Canada?).

Martin.



posted: 29 Jan 2016 20:39

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johnbirch72
 
Buntingford - United Kingdom

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Thanks Martin. PDF-Exchange Viewer showed I could create a 12000mm page which is the print shop limit. It does waste quite a lot of paper doing it that way so I may use smaller pages anyway.

Definitely not in Canada

John

posted: 9 Feb 2016 23:21

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johnbirch72
 
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One small problem. The maximum width of the printer is 841mm (A0) so I printed my pages created a PDF with a page size of 841 x 5000. When I took the file to the printer the PDF page size was 850 x 5011. Obviously I can create a slightly smaller page width to fit the printer, but what occurred here?

posted: 9 Feb 2016 23:58

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Martin Wynne
 
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johnbirch72 wrote:
One small problem. The maximum width of the printer is 841mm (A0) so I printed my pages created a PDF with a page size of 841 x 5000. When I took the file to the printer the PDF page size was 850 x 5011. Obviously I can create a slightly smaller page width to fit the printer, but what occurred here?
Hi John,

You can choose whether the entered dimensions apply to the full PDF page, or the finished page size after trimming it to the red margin lines. Tick or untick the box as required:

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With the box ticked, you need to set a page size smaller than the printable area. I suggested allowing 20mm for the trim margins in my previous reply.

Generally, if you will be trimming and fitting multiple pages to the red margin lines, it is better to tick the box and set a convenient size between the trim margins, usually matched to the grid lines.

If you are printing a large single page, the red trim margins won't be used, so you can untick the box and set almost the full printable area. Always allow a few mm inside though -- if you set the absolute maximum printable size the printer may object (because of rounding effects).

N.B. Check the printable area for the printer, it's not usually the full paper size. I doubt that an A0 printer can print 841mm width. That's the full width of A0 paper. But roll paper is usually 36 inches wide (914mm), so A0 sizes are easily accommodated. You need to get the available printable width from the print shop.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 10 Feb 2016 07:56

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johnbirch72
 
Buntingford - United Kingdom

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Thanks Martin. I missed the p.s. in the earlier reply.

John

posted: 9 Aug 2016 13:17

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Stephen Freeman
 
Sandbach - United Kingdom

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Hi,
Just a quick query, may have a need to print a plan 1200 mm wide by about 10 metres long. Is this likely to present such as Prontaprint with a problem?

posted: 9 Aug 2016 13:50

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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Borg-Rail wrote:
Just a quick query, may have a need to print a plan 1200 mm wide by about 10 metres long. Is this likely to present such as Prontaprint with a problem?
You need to ask them.

Templot will produce the PDF file without problems, but whether they can print it depends on their printer and software. For a local print shop the most likely problem is the lack of experience of the staff. The number of people who come in asking for prints 10 metres long is very few. Whatever happens, tell them 3 times in a loud voice that you want the page scaling set to "None" or 100%. This is not the default setting, and they may never have changed it before.

Before trusting them with the final print, you may want to try a smaller test section. Take it home and measure it carefully for accuracy.

For layout planning you may find a single long roll less than convenient to handle. Splitting it into 3 or 4 sections may be easier to use, and fall within their printing limits.

For CAD roll printers the widest paper is usually 42" (1067mm), but poster printers may be wider. If you export from Templot as a DXF file instead of PDF, and take or send it to a specialist CAD printer, there may be no length limit. But it is likely to be more expensive that way.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 9 Aug 2016 16:32

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Stephen Freeman
 
Sandbach - United Kingdom

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Thanks Martin, I've passed on the info. Otherwise it's 72 sheets of A3!

posted: 10 Aug 2016 14:48

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LSWRArt
 
Antibes - France

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John E Wright who, if you Google it, have various branches across the country and who would post if you are not near, print engineering drawings:

 http://www.johnewright.com

They have roll printers, so should be able to print any length in black and white, or colour; and their staff are likely to understand what you want, so it might be worth giving them a call, or sending an email.
I have found them very helpful on my print jobs.

All the best, Arthur

posted: 10 Aug 2016 15:29

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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Thanks Arthur.

Stephen, their web site says:

"our machine sizes allow us to print up to 1.5m in width on ink jet roll materials up to 30m in length"

which easily covers the sizes you wanted.

Martin.

posted: 11 Aug 2016 11:28

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Stephen Freeman
 
Sandbach - United Kingdom

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Hi,
In the end, Richard decided that A3 would be easier to deal with and I was able to do that for him on my Epson Stylus 1290. I know it can do banner printing too but alas not wide enough this time.
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