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when Printing the cess is b&w on a template that overlaps another, part of the overlapped template is not printed.  When in colour the cess doesn't hide the overlapped template as you'd expect.
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Now the b&w printout, using templot's b&w settings.
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Hello,
I would think it is still a usable template in colour or black and white. The cess would not extend into the area to which you refer anyway. The timber and rail positions of relevance are still usable despite the blank area.
There will probably be some technical reason Martin has ignored it possibly?:)
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Hi Richard,

Firstly of course it makes no sense for the cess to overlap adjacent templates. I am currently working on a new function to make the start position and length of the cess and trackbed edges adjustable in the the same way as for the platforms. This was suggested by Phil O recently.

But thanks for reporting this. You didn't say why you are using black & white, or on what type of printer?

The easiest short-term fix is to set output > output drawing options > rail infill style > none menu option.

That in itself is an anomaly -- the cess isn't rail so shouldn't be affected by the rail settings. I will fix this in the next program update.*

An alternative would be to rearrange the order of the templates in the storage box (the brown up-down buttons) so that the templates with cess are at the top of the list and so get drawn first. The timbering will still get blanked out on subsequent templates, but not the rails, so the template is likely to be still usable.

Alternatively do you really need black & white? The grey-shades option produces much neater templates, and doesn't use coloured ink.

Or you could print from Templot in colour and set the monochrome option on the printer's own setup instead.

It is in fact working as intended -- it is a complex issue. Templot is now an old program. The black & white printing shares many of the settings for old dot-matrix impact printers (having an ink ribbon), and for old-style liquid pen plotters.

The reason the colour and grey-shades print appears to have transparent cess is that it has a hatched infill instead of solid colour. Not all printers support hatched infill, especially older ones.

The reason black & white printing uses solid white infill, blanking out any previously drawn detail, is that there is a risk with any other setting on older printers that they will fill it with solid black ink, wasting ink and likely cockling the paper on ink-jet printers.

As I say, it is complex. At least with direct printing Templot can find out from the printer what it can do. For the PDF output there is no way of knowing the capabilities or type of printer which will be used to print the file.

I'm minded to leave things as they are, pending the adjustable trackbed edges. You will then be able to remove the cess where it overlaps other templates. That should be in the next program update.

*The same issue applies to the platforms, although in this case they are very unlikely to overlap other templates or important detail.

regards,

Martin.
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I'm using a fairly new Epson XP-710. I don't remember why I changed to b&w. One thing I do like is the large page numbers are clearer in b&w and sleeper numbers are not overwritten by sleepers on adjacent sleepers.
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