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Update:

Version 091c remains available ( Click to Download ) if you have a valid Templot lock-release code.

However if you have an internet connection on your computer you should upgrade to Templot2 which does not require a lock-release code.

Templot2 has many new features since version 091c which is now over 5 years old.

Download and more information about Templot2 here:

  http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_postx.php?post_id=10771



February 2008:

( Just a reminder that Templot 091c (not Templot2) needs a default local printer -- not a network printer -- to be able to run. A physical printer is not necessary, only the printer driver is needed. A virtual printer such as a fax driver or PDF generator will do fine. A free PDF printer driver can be downloaded from:  http://www.pdf995.com/download.html )

Pug version 091c download: Click to Download

n.b. After installing 091c on Windows 7 you may see a message "This program may not have installed correctly". Please ignore this and click the "Cancel" button below the message.

This pug includes two new usability features which you may find very handy -- drag panning, and pad views history (see below).

If you are upgrading from version 074b or 078e, note that 091c also contains all the many changes in the previous pug version 082d, which you should be sure to read about at: 082d pug changes

And the new features introduced in 091b, which you should read about at: 091b pug changes

New in 091c:

1. Drag panning.

You can now move the pad view simply by dragging it with the mouse. This is essentially the same as using the existing CTRL-F2 (or 2 key) mouse action. But now there is no need to select the mouse action first, you can just grab the pad and move it.

A few notes:

You can use either the left mouse button, or the middle button (wheel button).

If you use the left mouse button you must grab the pad somewhere clear of a background template. And you can't use this method while a mouse action is in force. If you would prefer to disable this feature, untick the pad > zoom/pan options > allow left-button drag panning menu item.

If you use the middle mouse button (wheel button) there are no such restrictions. You can grab the pad anywhere you like, which makes this usable even when zoomed in close over a template. And you can use this method to move the pad while your are using a mouse action -- which is very handy. Middle-button drag panning can't be disabled.

Dragging with the middle button means pressing the mouse wheel down into the body of the mouse and holding it there while you move the mouse. You can if you wish at the same time roll the wheel to zoom the pad simultaneously while moving it. Note however that zooming cancels any mouse action in force, so if you are in a mouse action, take care not to inadvertently roll the wheel while drag panning.

Note that these are conventional button-down drags, unlike the click-move-click CAD-style action for the mouse actions.

If you have a programmable mouse, for any of the above to work you need to have the wheel button set for "Middle Click" or "AutoScroll". 

All the other panning functions are retained, which means that there are now a dozen different ways to pan across the pad, but in testing I've found this new way to be very convenient. The left button is the more intuitive, but the middle button gives you greater flexibility.

(The previous wheel panning functions remain available if you prefer -- hold down the CTRL key for that, and click the wheel button to change direction from horizontal to vertical movement.)

2. Pad views history.

A "pad view" is a combination of your position on the pad and the zoom setting. Moving about on the pad, or zooming in or out, creates a new view. Templot can now remember pad views, so that you can conveniently return to a previous view. This is very useful when you are working in two places at once, or you want to return to where you were before zooming in.

There are two completely independent new mechanisms, both available on the zoom/pan controls dialog:
 


The 4 numbered buttons are fixed pre-sets which you can set up and return to at any time.

Independently of those, Templot automatically keeps a rolling record of the 8 most recent views you have been using. A view is regarded as in use after it has remained static for 5 seconds. You can return to these recent views by clicking the previous view button repeatedly. When you do that, the next view button becomes temporarily enabled, so that you can click back and forth through the recent views. When the view has again remained unchanged for 5 seconds, the current view will be added to the recorded views and the next view button becomes disabled again.

While the view is changing, the views panel is displayed in a darker orange colour. When the view becomes static for 5 seconds, the colour returns to normal. If the colour is showing normal, you know that you will be able to return to the current view later (if needed).

If the roll box is ticked, you can also move back and forth through the recent views by holding down the SHIFT key and rolling the mouse wheel.

If the roll box is unticked, the SHIFT key works as before to make wheel zooming much faster.

You may want to read the above explanation carefully again. I doubt much would become clear by the usual "click it and see" method! :) Being able to return to recent views is extremely handy, so it's worth getting the hang of it.

Comments welcome, as always. I would be grateful if you would give the above new features a good bashing and report any problems.

Still on 082d? Here's a list of new features already introduced in 091b:
  • Multiple monitors are now supported. There is an extra dialog during startup with more information if you have multiple monitors available on your system. For best results arrange the primary monitor to be on the left.
  • I have made some changes in terminology. I know this will be contentious for existing users, but the idea is to make things easier to understand for new users:

    The "current template" has been renamed "the control template". This was the only term I could find which made clear both its unique nature and the fact that it is a design tool, not a part of the track plan. Thanks to everyone who made suggestions about this at different times.

    This then required some further changes to remove the word "control" elsewhere:
    The "control" menu has been renamed the "main" menu.
    The "control room" window has been renamed the "program panel".

    "Portrait" printing has been renamed "end-run". "Landscape" printing has been renamed "side-run". There are some notes about these meanings at print > page orientation/origin > ? orientation - help menu item.

    In addition the "drawing pad" has been renamed the "workpad", to make clear that Templot is not a CAD-style drawing program.

  • There is a new HTML-based viewer for the internal Help notes. At present the content is largely unchanged, but it will now be possible to include diagrams and screenshots in the notes in future. The printed output from the Help viewer is now much improved also.

  • There is a new option to match the template length when using the align functions. tools > align options > menu options. This is now a more convenient alternative to the insert turnout in plain track and obtain functions when you want to insert a customized template into an existing location.

  • New option for the F6 curving mouse action to maintain the swing angle constant by adjusting the template length accordingly (constant-radius templates only, not transition curve templates). There are some Help notes about this at action > F6 curving options > menu options.
  • New mouse action: adjust crossing entry straight for a regular-type V-crossing. action > mouse actions: real > adjust V-crossing entry straight menu item. Increasing the crossing entry straight is a convenient way to shorten a turnout without changing to a smaller turnout size. Previously this required the data to be entered manually, needing a lot of trial and error to get the desired result. The new mouse action makes it much easier to see what's happening. Unfortunately there are no keyboard shortcuts available to assign to this, so it's necessary to go into the menu.

  • The gauge and scale > menu options on the workpad have been moved to the template menu, where they more logically belong. There is still a duplicate access via the session > gauge and scale... menu item on the program panel dialog at startup.
Here's the 091c download link again: Click to Download

regards,

Martin.
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Martin Wynne wrote: Comments welcome, as always. I would be grateful if you would give the above new features a good bashing and report any problems.
Martin, Works fine so far.  I particularly like your implementation of View History - could you sell it to Autodesk :cool:

I had a small funny when installing over 0.91b.  The first time it didn't 'take'  and I had to redo the installation.  I've searched the hard disk to see if finger trouble had plonked it in another folder,  but couldn't find anything.

I also note that the previous views are remembered on the next session.

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Martin,

Just found a 'funny' on the layout drawing I'm doing at the moment.  Displaying 0 - 2000mm on the horizontal scale on my 1024 wide screen,  all my background line shapes display.  If I zoom in one notch on the mouse wheel so that the horizontal scale is 0 - 1950mm,  a few of the lines disappear,  or are truncated.  If I zoom back out,  they re-appear as normal.  I can't remember this happening in 0.91B,  and I can't easily check since I over-wrote it this am :)

WinXP Home on a Toshiba Laptop - 1024 x 768.

Jim.

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Hi Martin

I haven't had a proper play yet, but thanks for restoring the "keep bashing return" to get in with multiple monitors - that was the first thing I looked for!  The drag panning is also extremely useful - it's just a natural thing to have :)

Cheers
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Hi Martin!

That drag panning is something I'd quietly wished Templot would do for ages.

Thank you for reading my mind! :)

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Jim Guthrie wrote: Martin,

Just found a 'funny' on the layout drawing I'm doing at the moment.  Displaying 0 - 2000mm on the horizontal scale on my 1024 wide screen,  all my background line shapes display.  If I zoom in one notch on the mouse wheel so that the horizontal scale is 0 - 1950mm,  a few of the lines disappear,  or are truncated.  If I zoom back out,  they re-appear as normal.  I can't remember this happening in 0.91B,  and I can't easily check since I over-wrote it this am :)

WinXP Home on a Toshiba Laptop - 1024 x 768.

Jim.
Martin,

I've been doing a bit more messing around and it looks as though the lines which are affected are exactly on a grid line and it looks as though the line(s) and the grid are having a fight for display.

One of the lines is a vertical line with the X co-ordinates at 1050.00.  I zoomed the view in to approximately real size on the screen and the line had disappeared.  I then started nicking down the X value until at 1049.47mm,  the line appeared.  At 1049.48mm,  it disappeared.

I also printed out a page covering the line at 1:1 and the line printed OK.

Jim.

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Jim Guthrie wrote: I've been doing a bit more messing around and it looks as though the lines which are affected are exactly on a grid line and it looks as though the line(s) and the grid are having a fight for display.Hi Jim,

I made a change in 091c -- the "grid in front of shapes" option is now on by default. Someone asked for that -- I think it may have been Paul. :)

But there is now an alternative access to the setting at pad > pad grid options > grid in front of shapes menu item (in addition to the tickbox on the background shapes dialog). If you untick one or the other, you should see your line again.

Sorry I didn't mention this in my previous email. There are a few other changes too, I will list them all in another message.

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Martin Wynne wrote:
I made a change in 091c -- the "grid in front of shapes" option is now on by default. Someone asked for that -- I think it may have been Paul. :)

it was me and thank you very much for it. It was a nice suprise!

The panning is brilliant as well.

 

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Dear all,

Here's a list of the changes in 091c:

1. drag panning -- see previous message.

2. pad views: pre-sets* and history* -- see previous message.

3. group > restore group name labels menu item. This restores all the template name labels to their default positions, for example after moving or arranging them. Previously it was necessary to restore each template individually. Now you can restore all the grouped templates in one go.

4. pad > pad grid options > grid in front of shapes menu item. This duplicates access to this setting to save needing to open the background shapes dialog. This option is now changed to be on by default -- this is useful for picture shapes, but for other shapes there may be a conflict with the grid lines. Untick the menu item to return to the previous behaviour.*

5. Custom switches -- the "blade tips exactly on timber centre-line" bug has been fixed (after much head-scratching! :) ). This affected only NER switches as far as I know.

6. Several other minor and cosmetic bugs have been fixed. But I have a list of several more not yet fixed -- left for the next pug.

* these settings are not currently saved between sessions, but it's intended that they will be in a future pug.

Here's the 091c download link again.

regards,

Martin.
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Alan Turner wrote: it was me and thank you very much for it. It was a nice suprise!Hi Alan,

In that case Jim knows who to blame! :) And apologies to Paul. :)

Glad you like it. It really needs a third option "in front of picture shapes only" which I did look at, but it required a lot of new code and a major change to the way the pad screen is double-buffered. I might try that one day, but other things are more pressing at present.

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Martin Wynne wrote: Alan Turner wrote: it was me and thank you very much for it. It was a nice suprise!Hi Alan,

In that case Jim knows who to blame! :) And apologies to Paul. :)

Glad you like it. It really needs a third option "in front of picture shapes only" which I did look at, but it required a lot of new code and a major change to the way the pad screen is double-buffered. I might try that one day, but other things are more pressing at present.

regards,

Martin.
Martin,

I've never felt the need to put the grid in front of shapes and I don't think I ever knew that the option existed.:D

One small thing that's not world shattering.   Is it possible to default to the file name you have loaded when saving a box file so that you can save an updated version without having to either type it in,  or search for it in the File/Save dialog box?      Templot flags up that the file already exists which would warn you if you don't want to over-write it.

Jim.

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Jim Guthrie wrote: Is it possible to default to the file name you have loaded when saving a box file so that you can save an updated version without having to either type it in, or search for it in the File/Save dialog box?Hi Jim,

Don't get me started on the evils of the Windows Document Model. :(

Please don't overwrite existing files when saving. Templot keeps a rolling backup so there is no need to save files every few minutes. Save a file only when the storage box contains enough new work to be worth saving. And then create a new file for it. Leave the old ones until you are quite sure that you don't want them -- at the very least for 24 hours. They are not difficult to delete, you can do it without leaving Templot by right-clicking in the File dialogs.

Of course it's your computer and if you want to overwrite existing files when saving data, that's up to you. But Templot is not going to do anything to facilitate that. Programs such as AJC Active Backup (highly recommended) have been created to get round the shortcomings of the Windows way of working, but I can't develop Templot on the assumption that everyone is running such software.

I know the BOX-FILES folder can get a bit cluttered, but at least you know all your work is there if needed. The recent files list is the way to quickly find your current work, and the button for that is the first on the left on the program panel window (formerly the control room) at start-up.

Even if I didn't feel so strongly about it, it would be difficult to implement in practice. In Templot you don't open a file, you load data from it. You can have data from a dozen different files loaded into the storage box at once. How would Templot know which file name to suggest when saving?

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Martin Wynne wrote: Jim Guthrie wrote: Is it possible to default to the file name you have loaded when saving a box file so that you can save an updated version without having to either type it in, or search for it in the File/Save dialog box?Hi Jim,

Don't get me started on the evils of the Windows Document Model. :(

Martin,

After I pressed the send button,  I had a memory that this topic might have cropped up before and it elicited a similar response from you :)

In my business we use the Windows facility to assist in keeping filenames in an orderly manner and use the 'sticky' filename to either overwrite a file or version it by editing a numerical or alphabetic suffix.  We deal with thousands of files in a directory and keeping them in good sorting order is a must or you could spend a lot of time looking for material.

However,  I concede that it is a discipline that might not come easy to a (comparatively) casual user.   Also my main business application also changes the previous version of a file to a backup version so that you have a rescue path after an "Oh Sh*t" moment. :)

I've now done a fair bit more work on the new version and the new View and Pan facilities are excellent - almost worth a numeric change in the version number. :)

Jim.

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Martin wrote:
In that case Jim knows who to blame! :) And apologies to Paul. :)I was beginning to wonder if I really wanted that!  I think I much prefer the "off" default.  It would be handy for picture shapes, but I "lost" loads of my baseboards under the grids!

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Paul Boyd wrote: I was beginning to wonder if I really wanted that! I think I much prefer the "off" default. It would be handy for picture shapes, but I "lost" loads of my baseboards under the grids!Hi Paul,

Hmm. Maybe I have made a change too far? :(

As an alternative to switching the "grid in front" option off, you could try (on the background shapes dialog) doing font/colours tab > pad shapes line width > 2.

Perhaps I should look more seriously at a "grid in front of picture shapes only" option.

p.s. if you build your baseboards in feet and inches, and have the grid in mm, you won't have the problem. :)

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Martin Wynne wrote: p.s. if you build your baseboards in feet and inches, and have the grid in mm, you won't have the problem. :)Martin,

And I've just got used to working to the Templot Metric foot - i.e. 300mm = 1ft :)

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Martin Wynne wrote: Hmm. Maybe I have made a change too far? :(
No you haven't!!
 
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Alan wrote:
No you haven't!Oh yes he has :)

The "grid in front of pictures only" option does sound like a good idea though.

(Idly wonders when these settings will be able to be saved:))

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Paul Boyd wrote: (Idly wonders when these settings will be able to be saved:))Hi Paul,

The grid spacing settings are currently saved in the box file, so it would seem logical for these to join them, even though it's probably not the best place. Ditto the pre-set pad views.

That being so, they can go in when the version number next bumps. And no, I don't know when that will be. :?

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Hi Martin,

The new screen controls are excellent. A great help; thank you.

Regretfully, something seems to have gone wrong with 'background shapes' in 91c. I have created lines and they appear only when clicked on After saving the file the lines will appear in 91b but not 91c.  So it's back to 91b for me:(

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Peter Salathiel wrote: something seems to have gone wrong with 'background shapes' in 91c.Hi Peter,

Untick the pad > pad grid options > grid in front of shapes menu item. See the previous messages about this.

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Thanks Martin. I hadn't made the mental connection. Everything OK now.

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Thanks for incorporating the drag screen facility Martin...very happy.:D

Couple of beginner questions though.  When working on the screen, I may open a particular file to work on and at the end of the day want to save all my work.  If I have been saving during the day, say version 1, 2, 3 etc, I can't recall which one I should overwrite, because I can't see on the pad the name of the file that I'm currently working on.  Apologies if this is the wrong way of working, but it would help to see the file name somewhere on the screen. Of course it's probably there but I haven't noticed it...

The second thing relates to pad name labels, which I generally switch off as they make reading the screen difficult on a complex design.  Even though I save the file with them off, reopening the file puts them back on.  No big deal, but is it possible to set the on or off in the file rather than auto default on at present.

Thanks as ever for a great product.  Hoping to see my terminus design full size for the first time this week. :D:D

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Gordon S wrote: Couple of beginner questions though. When working on the screen, I may open a particular file to work on and at the end of the day want to save all my work. If I have been saving during the day, say version 1, 2, 3 etc, I can't recall which one I should overwrite, because I can't see on the pad the name of the file that I'm currently working on. Apologies if this is the wrong way of working, but it would help to see the file name somewhere on the screen. Of course it's probably there but I haven't noticed it...
Hi Gordon,

Please don't overwrite existing files. Always create a new one -- Templot suggests a suitable unique file name. Delete old files when the project has been finalised. See my previous reply to Jim at:

http://www.templot.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=330&forum_id=1&jump_to=1864#p1864

However, you can see the name of the most recent file to or from which templates were saved, reloaded or added, on the top line of the storage box dialog:



(showing a file recently added). The storage box is at main > storage box... menu item (version 091) or control > storage box... menu item (earlier versions).

The second thing relates to pad name labels, which I generally switch off as they make reading the screen difficult on a complex design. Even though I save the file with them off, reopening the file puts them back on. No big deal, but is it possible to set the on or off in the file rather than auto default on at present.
Sorry, that setting (and a great many others) isn't saved at present. Many users have asked for settings to be saved, but it is not the simple matter it might appear. One day, maybe. In the meantime it's very easy -- just dab the END key to show or hide the template name labels as required. When working on partial templates you do need to see them.

Note that if the labels are in the way, there is a function to arrange them all in neat rows or columns in a blank are of the pad (and those positions will be saved). See:

http://www.templot.com/martweb/pug_info_2.htm

Scroll down to "background template name labels" and click the info icon.

regards,

Martin.
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Thanks for the reply Martin.  I must have been blind because I never saw the file name.....sure you didn't add it to the latest update? :D:D

The pad names issue was a like to have, rather than a must have.  No problem using the end key....(now I've found it! :D:D)
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Martin,

You know..., what would be great is a way to save an individual's settings as default.
    I like the dark grey screen
    with my own colour sleepers and rails. 

Each time I start,
    I need to re-set all this. 

Haven't missed this, too, have I?

Zoë Topper
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NGT_Models wrote: You know..., what would be great is a way to save an individual's settings as default.

I like the dark grey screen with my own colour sleepers and rails. Each time I start, I need to re-set all this. 

Haven't missed this, too, have I?

Hi Zoë,

No you haven't. Several users have asked for this, and I have just purchased an XML component to that end. So it's on the list. :)

I do have very strong reservations about it, though, which is why I've dragged my feet on it for years. At the very least it will mean yet another click during start-up -- there's no way I will make it a default. You will have to click something to restore your own settings.

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Martin Wynne wrote:
Hi Zoë,

No you haven't. Several users have asked for this, ..., ....-- there's no way I will make it a default. You will have to click something to restore your own settings.

regards,

Martin.
Martin,

I think that's all we could wish for...,
    it would be nice to be able to save that little task down to one button.

Looking forward to that!

Zoë

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Martin Wynne wrote:
Dear all,

A new pug version 091c is available if you would like to try it: Click to Download


Do I need to backup the old version before upgrading? I'm finding increasingly that I have to for most software as I'm stuck with XP SP1
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Richard Spratt wrote:Do I need to backup the old version before upgrading?Hi Richard,

No, you can just install 091c straight off and carry on regardless. But don't try to upgrade while Templot is actually running. :)

You can have as many different versions of Templot on your computer as you wish, and use whichever one you want at any time.

If you want to do that, re-name the existing C:\TEMPLOT\TemplotZero.exe program file to something else, e.g. TemplotZero82d.exe , before running the 091c install.

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Just bumping this topic to the top of the Recent Topics list again. :)

A reminder that the most recent Pug version 091c can be downloaded from: 091c download .

Full details at: 091c info .

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Hi, just tried to install 0.91c and Templot fails to load with this resultant error

AppName: templotzero 0.91c.exe AppVer: 0.91.3.1001 ModName: kernel32.dll

ModVer: 5.1.2600.5781 Offset: 00012afb

Having saved the original and then restored TemplotZero it all works again, Its a long shot, does 0.91c need a printer driver to boot ?, 0.74b doesn't, it just sends up a nag box saying it cannot find one and then continues, 0.91c doesn't even boot up.

Thanks in advance.

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m davies wrote: It's a long shot, does 0.91c need a printer driver to boot ?Hi Michael,

YES !

See the very first message in this topic, from which I quote:

A new pug version 091c is available if you would like to try it: Click to Download

( Just a reminder that Templot needs a default local printer -- not a network printer -- to be able to run. A physical printer is not necessary, only the printer driver is needed. A virtual printer such as a fax driver or PDF generator will do fine. A free PDF printer driver can be downloaded from:  http://www.pdf995.com/download.html )

regards,

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Martin,

I suspected so, I just wanted to make sure before going to the back of the loft where the really big spiders are to drag the printer out and its drivers disc, the pdf ones linked in here didn't download for some reason, my security set up somewhere I'm sure.

As an aside, even with printer drivers loaded it still failed, turns out you need print spooler activated in MS services, I'm one of these people who hunt down unnecessary services and turn them off to improve PC performance and loop holes for hackers.

Anyway, 'tis' all working tickity boo now, thank you.

Kindest

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Hi
As a complete novice to this lark can I just say that the tutorials are excellent. So good in fact that after only a week playing about I have managed to scan in a background plan for Edington Junction (ex S&D) and overlay it with a complete set of templates. Just needs a few minor tweeks. Brilliant!!
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Hi,

Do I take then if on a network a printer connected to another computer on the network doesn't count either?

Also if you have a printer driver installed can you then also print to a Network Printer as well?


Martin Wynne wrote: m davies wrote: It's a long shot, does 0.91c need a printer driver to boot ?Hi Michael,

YES !

See the very first message in this topic, from which I quote:

A new pug version 091c is available if you would like to try it: Click to Download

( Just a reminder that Templot needs a default local printer -- not a network printer -- to be able to run. A physical printer is not necessary, only the printer driver is needed. A virtual printer such as a fax driver or PDF generator will do fine. A free PDF printer driver can be downloaded from:  http://www.pdf995.com/download.html )

regards,

Martin.


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Borg-Rail wrote: Do I take then if on a network a printer connected to another computer on the network doesn't count either?

Also if you have a printer driver installed can you then also print to a Network Printer as well?
Hi Stephen,

You can print to a network printer instead of a local printer -- provided it is switched on and available for use before you start Templot.

Templot builds a list of printer information during startup. It must find at least one printer, otherwise it can't start. If it's a local printer only the driver program is needed -- the printer itself doesn't have to be switched on, or connected, or even exist.

This is needed for the printer calibration functions, and also to enable the page outlines on the pad.

If you don't have a local printer driver, the easiest solution is to install one. Any printer driver from the Windows CD will do, you don't need the actual printer. Or simply download a free one, such as one of the many PDF generator programs (which are virtual printers).

At one time Windows came with a virtual printer already installed -- the Fax modem. But that seems to have fallen by the wayside. I made the mistake in writing the code years ago of assuming that it would always be available, at the least.

In future Templot will have its own PDF generator, which will provide the default "printer" during startup if none other is available.

It seems to be a failing in Windows that there is no fall-back default driver for the Print functions to use. The obvious solution would be to "print" to the screen.

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Martin.

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OT: But I remember old versions of Word behaving very oddly if no printer was installed - back in Windows 3.1 days. I think you only got one font, even though Windows had loads installed, and not until you installed a printer did you get the rest of them.

Happy days (or not!)
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Hi Martin,

Pug 091c seems to have stopped working for me.

I had it running until yesterday when I was hit by malicious software which necessitated reformating my hard drive and reloading everything. I reloaded 0.74b and then reloaded 0.91c on top. Now at startup it displays the "Templot will be starting soon" window and then displays Microsoft's error message "Templot has encountered a problem and needs to close....."

I have tried uninstlling templot and downloading and reloading both versions. I can now run 0.74b (renamed as TemplotZero74b.exe) but 091c still won't run.

I am using Win XP Pro on an IBM laptop.

Regards Roger


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