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I'm planning a small layout with dual gauge standard and narrow gauge trackwork, this will involve some turnouts, with the narrow gauge track joining and leaving the standard gauge section, but also a custom built standard gauge turnout too.
Will be using code 80 rail throughout (I have a lot of Peco "crazy track" to rob)

Should I make the jump to OO-SF for the standard gauge trackwork? any pitfalls especially with the inclusion of narrow gauge flangeways etc or does the closer flangeways of OO-SF actually make sense in this application?

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Depends on the wheels you plan to use for the stock. Much modern NG stock (eg Bachmann) has relatively fine flanges that will run through pointwork to P4 standards (I have tried!). If you already have stock then maybe best to do your own testing as few people actually do this sort of thing and all probably have a different variety of stock.
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Good point, at lease one NG loco will be using a Farish "08" chassis, so pretty old wheel specs.
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Narrow-gauge modellers often use the wheels and track standards from a smaller scale. For example 009 models at 4mm/ft typically use N gauge wheels.

It defies logic to build a model where the wheels are to a different scale from the rest of the model, but it is a popular way to build a working narrow-gauge layout.

Until that is, you want to build mixed-gauge pointwork. :(

The important point to bear in mind for mixed-gauge track is that both gauges must use the same flangeway gap, and therefore need the same or similar wheel profile.

For 00 RTR models, the practical minimum flangeway gap is 1.0mm (as 00-SF). But N gauge wheels require a flangeway gap of 0.85mm max. If they are run over crossings (frogs) having a 1.0mm gap they are going to fall into the crossings with a bump -- made worse by the small diameter of such wheels. If run over crossings having the standard 00 gap of 1.3mm they are very likely to derail.

What to do about it?

1. most sensible -- use 4mm/ft scale wheels on 4mm/ft models, regardless of the track gauge. Discard the N gauge wheels.

or

2. use sprung-wing crossings or swing-nose crossings to eliminate the flangeway gaps. Likewise use switch-diamonds for diamond-crossings. That would work very well for mixed-gauge, but it's a lot of work to do, and doesn't look right for UK narrow-gauge prototypes.

or

3. devise your own track standard to accommodate your actual models. For example if the 00 models use only kit wheels (no RTR), such as Ultrascale/Alan Gibson/Markits wheels, you could possibly get the flangeway gap down to 0.85mm to match the N gauge wheels. The 00 track standard would then be:

Check gauge: 15.2mm (same as for all 00).

Flangeway gap: 0.85mm.

Track gauge: 16.05mm.

Back-to-back:
14.6mm (Ultrascale/Alan Gibson)
14.5mm (Romford/Markits)                       

That might actually run very well for the 00 models providing there are no sharp train-set radii, but it won't work for 00 RTR wheels. Kit wheels only (and gentle curves only, if there are any Romford/Markits wheels). Gauge-widening needed for sharper curves.

cheers,

Martin. 

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Thanks Martin (I think LOL) I didn't realise that 00-9 track had such close flangeway gaps. I'll do some experiments but might have to compromise on 1mm as RTR OO stock is necessary - even if i have to put up with the OO-9 stock dropping in the crossings .....
In some of the cases the narrow gauge rails will leave the dual gauge section away from the OO "3rd rail" so the crossing can be to OO-9 standards as there is enough room in the back to backs to allow the OO wheel to run through ....

hmmmmm

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Had a little play last night, now this is VERY rough, I'm just working out the basic track plan at the moment but you can see the beginnings of the dual gauge track.

Only one switch blade so far .... It will get more complex very soon though as I want a short standard gauge siding roughly where the "a" is on the plan.

I realise the short length of dual gauge laid so far it far too tight a radius, this will be eased at some point. 


Much to do, but it seems that I will need at least some 1mm flangeways so OO-SF (or a version of it) looks favourite

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OK, getting there now, still no proper turnout templates, and frankly I have no idea how to start to convert the monster I have created.
.box file left on the laptop too so will have to make do with a photo. Note carefully (!) drawn on common crossings ....



it's in OO at the moment too, will be to OO-SF standards through the crossings with 1mm flangeways when built, probably. Next steps are to order some PCB sleepers and gauges and have a go

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Good morning, I've had a look and can't see how to make a new template for dual gauge track. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Ideally OO-SF and N gauges with sleeper spacing to 4mm/ft

Thanks

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RedgateModels wrote: Good morning, I've had a look and can't see how to make a new template for dual gauge track. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Ideally OO-SF and N gauges with sleeper spacing to 4mm/ft

Thanks

You will need to create 2 templates superimposed. I would first make the OO-SF template as this has the sleepering you require. Then you will need to create a second template over it at N gauge rail spacing, but with the common rail as the reference datum. Not quite so easy as Templot uses the track center line as the reference datum. If you try to change the settings to N-gauge for the second template this will alter the flangeway widths and timber settings. The timbers of the second template can be hidden, but any turnouts will have N-gauge flangeways and not be compatible with the OO ones.
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Tony W wrote:but any turnouts will have N-gauge flangeways and not be compatible with the 00 ones.Hi Tony,

That's not the way to go, because the scales will be mixed -- a recipe for a total mess. :(

Ian, ignore all the N gauge settings. For the narrow-gauge set to 00-SF and then change the track gauge to 9mm. You can do that at gauge > modify current settings > , or you can create a custom gauge/scale setting.

That will also give you a common rail on one side.

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Hi Martin.
That was what I was trying to imply, obviously not very clearly.
Regards
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Martin Wynne wrote: Tony W wrote:but any turnouts will have N-gauge flangeways and not be compatible with the 00 ones.Hi Tony,

That's not the way to go, because the scales will be mixed -- a recipe for a total mess. :(

Ian, ignore all the N gauge settings. For the narrow-gauge set to 00-SF and then change the track gauge to 9mm. You can do that at gauge > modify current settings > , or you can create a custom gauge/scale setting.

That will also give you a common rail on one side.

cheers,

Martin.
Many thanks Martin, I only saw your message last night after I had packed away for the day. I need to make more tweaks anyway as I noticed that one check rail would have fallen where the switch blade taking the narrow gauge away from the dual gauge section was. I moved the half turnout and promptly put it over the baseboard strengthening rib!
Do you think it will be possible to convert my rather unconventional arrangements into true turnout templates?

 

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You can see the issue in the photo, circled in red. No room for the crossing checkrail unless I fixed it to the point blade!


As I said, I've moved the narrow gauge turnout away from the main one (with the double crossings) but it looks ugly and the tie bar falls over the baseboard rib. More jiggling with the plan needed. I'll move them closer and the whole arrangement a little to the right to clear the underboard obstructions.

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RedgateModels wrote: You can see the issue in the photo, circled in red. No room for the crossing checkrail unless I fixed it to the point blade!



With your very tight radii,  it looks more like tramway track and in that case there wouldn't be a point blade in that position,  but what would effectively be a half "K" crossing since you don't actually need a switch between the standard and narrow gauge tracks.   If you've got a "Half K" then you will have check rails at the "K" which will check the other crossing.

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Like this?

Solves two problems in one go :) (apart from how to switch the crossing polarity depending on standard or narrow gauge paths)

EDIT: there is another turnout just off to the left on the narrow gauge trackwork that could be considered part of a "crossover" so I can use that crossing switch for now at least. A juicer might be better, but I'm waiting on a new test project from MERG for that.

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RedgateModels wrote:

Like this?

Solves two problems in one go :) (apart from how to switch the crossing polarity depending on standard or narrow gauge paths)

EDIT: there is another turnout just off to the left on the narrow gauge trackwork that could be considered part of a "crossover" so I can use that crossing switch for now at least. A juicer might be better, but I'm waiting on a new test project from MERG for that.
  That's about it. :D  And yes,  if your are using DCC,  a frog juicer is the answer.   I'm watching MERG developments with interest and hoping that their product might appear soon.

Jim.

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I'll see if I can make some edits tonight. Thanks Jim :)
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Martin

I have been following this topic with interest mainly out of interest only as I do with all Templot topics.
However, reading this message this evening I think there may be a wider issue here.

I have spent part of today at our local model engineers club at Colchester CSMEE) where, amongst other things, we have a raised O Gauge/Gauge 1 combined oval of track with a passing loop.

I note the comment asking for a mixed gauge template and wonder if a mixed gauge point template could be a possibility?

This might be a wider general solution, with the user specifying the two gauges, and I am sure would be useful to many users in the larger scales.  We also have a large 5/7.25" gauge track.  By ignoring the straight road the original request would also be met.

What do you think?

Kind regards to Martin and all Temploters

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PRChappell wrote: I note the comment asking for a mixed gauge template and wonder if a mixed gauge point template could be a possibility?

This might be a wider general solution, with the user specifying the two gauges, and I am sure would be useful to many users in the larger scales.  We also have a large 5/7.25" gauge track.  By ignoring the straight road the original request would also be met.

What do you think?
Hi Peter,

Thanks for your thoughts.

Templot has always been able to create mixed-gauge pointwork. See for example the sample mixed-gauge crossover here:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=289&forum_id=10

The .box file can be downloaded to see how it is made up from partial templates. Here is a copy of the download link:

 http://templot.com/samples/p4_gwr_mixed_gauge.box

If you are asking for an automated function to create mixed-gauge pointwork, that would be a massive programming task, there are so many variables. The starting point in Templot is always the prototype, usually where there is mixed standard-gauge and narrow-gauge. I don't know how that would work for say mixed Gauge 0 / Gauge 1 -- what would be the model scale? What would the timber sizes be for example? The same applies to mixing 5" and 7.1/4" gauge pointwork, what would be the prototype?

Also of course, mixed-gauge pointwork must have a common flangeway gap. For say mixed Gauge 0 and Gauge 1 that would mean using spring crossings or swing-nose crossings, and switch-diamonds, to avoid any wrong-size gaps.

I will have a think about what might be possible.

cheers,

Martin.

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Thanks all,
more tweaks tonight and I've even started to put together a point template for the "main" dual gauge turnout. Got the crossing angle right etc but the length of the switches are too long and I need a very short if non existent approach length as there's a curve just before the blade tips...

Anyone fancy a challenge?

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First thoughts this morning after looking at Martin's GWR mixed gauge example is should the circled crossing be a K?


Sorry Martin, i'm still scribbling on prints at the moment .....

Oh and another question, why when I change the gauge of a template does Templot whizz it off to somewhere else, generally off screen so I think it's disappeared? It would be nice for it to stay put.

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Think I've answered my own question, as the rails are not from the same "side" it needs to be a common crossing as scribbled :)
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RedgateModels wrote:Oh and another question, why when I change the gauge of a template does Templot whizz it off to somewhere else, generally off screen so I think it's disappeared? It would be nice for it to stay put.Hi Ian,

In your .box file you have two different gauge/scale settings in the same track plan, N gauge and 00.

As I mentioned, that is never going to work. :)

What you need to do is set 00-SF for the standard-gauge templates, and then click modify track gauge... for the narrow-gauge templates, so that everything is 4mm/ft scale, like this:



Change it to 9mm gauge. You will still get some bumpy running as I mentioned, where the N gauge wheels run over the 1.0mm flangeway gaps. :(

cheers,

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Ah, thanks Martin, knew there would be a reason.

I'll have a go tonight, hopefully
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Following on from a question on the MERG forum, to remove the possibility of derailments from incorrectly set points could I change the circled switch blades for half K's and have just the remaining single blades controlling the direction?


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Thanks Martin, I believe I've got what you mean with the track gauge etc. I've even created the right hand narrow gauge only point template. Now,can I delete the extra rail from the standard gauge section that runs through it????
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RedgateModels wrote: Thanks Martin, I believe I've got what you mean with the track gauge etc. I've even created the right hand narrow gauge only point template. Now,can I delete the extra rail from the standard gauge section that runs through it????
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Hi Ian,

Untick this tickbox:



That's at do > omit rails and joint marks menu item.

You can see which is the MS side from the flag on the CTRL-1 end marker.

cheers,

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Cheers Martin, can't believe I missed that option, looked at the do menu too.
If I were to replace the top switch blade with a half k could it be done? 
With regards to the missing check rail on the standard gauge section should I change the plain rail to a turnout then delete everything apart from the lower rail and checkrail?

I also have a plan for the standard gauge based turnout to get the curved approach - delete the stock rails and replace with partial plain track rails to the desired length and then shove a few timbers. Am I close?

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I'm itching to get on with this now (can you tell?), but can't install Templot at work (obviously) and only get the laptop at home when #2 son is in bed!
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just noticed that in making the "proper" turnout I have increased the crossing angle and thus the curve radius over the plain track mockup. Hopefully I can "roam" the crossing and reduce the crossing angle a bit to ease things later today.
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RedgateModels wrote: I'm itching to get on with this now (can you tell?), but can't install Templot at work (obviously) and only get the laptop at home when #2 son is in bed!Hi Ian,

I'm itching to get out in the sunshine. :)

I have made you a quick bit of scruffy video:

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p.s. put the peg at CTRL-0 when making gauge changes, I forgot to mention that in the video.

cheers,

Martin.

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Thanks Martin, didn't know about the F9 crossing angle, I've been manually entering it :)
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Another go this evening, started with the other point etc. 
Now how do I drop in the half K and common crossing to allow the narrow gauge line to split off up to the Y turnout????

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Hi Ian,

What you are looking for is something like this:



It's made up from 8 partial templates. Without your rather murderous reverse curve in the standard-gauge, it could probably be done with fewer. There is still the timbering to do of course.

But it's rather more than your optimistic "dropping in" as you can see. :)

To explain it fully from scratch is going to take me two or thee of hours of writing notes and making videos, and I'm afraid I just don't have time at present -- poor Bernard is still waiting for his metre-gauge tandems.

All I can suggest is that you become a bit more familiar with Templot and working with partial templates on something simpler.

There is an old video in this post about partial templates, but unfortunately unless you have Flash installed you won't be able to see it:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=706&forum_id=1&jump_to=3973#p3967

I will try to get a new one done soon.

cheers,

Martin.


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Yes that's exactly it :)

8 partials, wow. Yeah I realise that what I'm after is very unusual, but then if it was simpler I'd be using RTP ;)

One question for today, promise. How can I produce a turnout with shorter switches? I guess I'm talking less than 1:24.

Tonight's fun will be copying the Peco SL-E497. Have scanned it in so will import and try to match it dimensionally at least.

Many many thanks for your help so far Martin :)
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Think I've found the answer - Mouse Action Real Adjust V Crossing Entry Straight?

Also I've seen the use of CTRL F3, blanking. This would have removed the need for a couple of partials to get the switch tips right to the end of the turnout ...
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RedgateModels wrote: Think I've found the answer - Mouse Action Real Adjust V Crossing Entry Straight?Hi Ian,

No, that won't shorten the switch, and is not available with curviform crossings.

The shortest switch in the list of pre-sets is 1:24. You need to create a custom switch for something shorter, click the button:



There is an extremely short custom switch in this old topic which you may be able to use instead of creating a new one:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=280&forum_id=1#p1566

The file can be downloaded from:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?id=239

The custom switch will then be at the bottom of the list as shown above, which you can select for use in your turnouts.

cheers,

Martin.

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Thanks again :)
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Looking at what I did last night I really need to sort out this shorter switch as using the 1:24 even with removing the rails before the switch tips forces the whole arrangement too far to the left and means a very tight curve to get everything joined up again.

Thoughts of Half K crossings etc will have to wait ;)

I have found some info on symmetrical Y points though and the .box file posted a while back should help a lot even though it's OO
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Hi Ian,

It's a lovely sunny day. Switch the computer off and get outside. :)

As I said, you need a short custom switch.

I have come in just long enough to make you one:





It's a 6ft curved switch. After loading the attached .box file it will be in the bottom slot of the switch list, from where you can select it into your turnouts.

Or alternatively use this turnout as-is. You can adjust the size to whatever you want using F5 or F9.

At 1:4 it has a radius of 11" as above. At 1:3 the radius is 6".

You can see the actual switch dimensions by clicking the show switch info button on the above dialog. It could probably be improved -- I did it very quickly off the top of my head, without proper prototype reference.

cheers,

Martin.

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