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Hi Martin,
I seem to be finding my way back to Templot again!  There's a couple of features that would be quite nice to have, if they're not already there somewhere:-
  • When printing the background templates, any platforms with a solid infill obliterate any text, such as timber numbering or "blunt nose" etc.  Could it be arranged so that the platform is always underneath any text?  Hatching partially solves this, but even so, the text then becomes chopped up.

  • The other one, which I'm sure is an option somewhere, is to not show the template number on the output, so just "A11" instead of "PL172.A11".

Cheers,

Paul



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Paul Boyd wrote: Hi Martin,
I seem to be finding my way back to Templot again!  There's a couple of features that would be quite nice to have, if they're not already there somewhere:-
  • The other one, which I'm sure is an option somewhere, is to not show the template number on the output, so just "A11" instead of "PL172.A11".
Hi Paul,

Welcome back. Have you been far? :)

Thanks for the suggestions. In fact there wasn't such an option on the template ID prefix, but there is now, untick this:



All these settings are included in the saved program preferences.

I have also moved the menu item from the sub-menu into the main menu to make it easier to find.

Attached below is a scruff release of Templot, version 2.23.x

Save the  templot_2.exe  file in your  C:TEMPLOT_DEV  folder (or wherever you keep Templot), to replace the one already there.

Windows will no doubt take a dim view of it and make you click through the usual security stuff.

It's the same as the current 2.23.c program update apart from these changes, and the previous changes in 2.23.z for Rob:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=3488&forum_id=1#p27619

It also fixes the printing bug, see:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=3500&forum_id=1

When printing the background templates, any platforms with a solid infill obliterate any text, such as timber numbering or "blunt nose" etc. Could it be arranged so that the platform is always underneath any text? Hatching partially solves this, but even so, the text then becomes chopped up.That's a more involved program change than I can put in a quick scruff release. But I have added the option above to allow the platforms to be switched on and off more easily. Generally the platforms aren't needed at the same time as the timber numbers and guide marks. The numbers are needed when printing an actual construction template to use on the workbench, the platforms are needed when printing a full track plan to lay out on the baseboard.

I will look at moving the timber numbers above the platforms in the next full update, but it's not straightforward because the platforms are part of the rails printing function -- which have to be above the timbering obviously.

cheers,

Martin.

Here is 2.23.x  (not exhaustively tested, please report any issues):

edit: 2.23.x deleted. See replacement 2.23.w:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=3499&forum_id=3&jump_to=27732#p27732



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Hi Martin
Thanks for that!  I've been lurking, but drifted into plastic modelling, with model railways in the background.  I've just been inspired to restart the S4n2 layout I started about 16 years ago then scrapped during a house move, although I kept the pointwork.  The fact that the seed has remained there all this time has to be a good sign!

The re-worked output elements options will do nicely, thank you. Yes, timber numbering is untidy on the track plan printout, and platforms are unnecessary on build templates, so that does make it much easier to switch around.

Cheers,
Paul

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Martin

I read this with interest. I have been looking for a way to remove text from templates so that after they have been physically cut, there is no spurious text on the template. I suspect that this option is what I have been looking for but I note that this is (I assume) a modification that is only available in your version 2.23 'scruff release'. (I couldn't locate the sub-menu you referred to). With my Templot version I don't get the same options as those pictured in your reply to Paul.

The text I want to remove is shown in the attached pictures......






Do I need to install the scruff to get rid of this please?

Thanks

Ray

Martin Wynne wrote: Paul Boyd wrote: Hi Martin,
I seem to be finding my way back to Templot again!  There's a couple of features that would be quite nice to have, if they're not already there somewhere:-
  • The other one, which I'm sure is an option somewhere, is to not show the template number on the output, so just "A11" instead of "PL172.A11".
Hi Paul,

Welcome back. Have you been far? :)

Thanks for the suggestions. In fact there wasn't such an option on the template ID prefix, but there is now, untick this:



All these settings are included in the saved program preferences.

I have also moved the menu item from the sub-menu into the main menu to make it easier to find.

Attached below is a scruff release of Templot, version 2.23.x

Save the  templot_2.exe  file in your  C:\TEMPLOT_DEV\  folder (or wherever you keep Templot), to replace the one already there.

Windows will no doubt take a dim view of it and make you click through the usual security stuff.

It's the same as the current 2.23.c program update apart from these changes, and the previous changes in 2.23.z for Rob:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=3488&forum_id=1#p27619

It also fixes the printing bug, see:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=3500&forum_id=1

When printing the background templates, any platforms with a solid infill obliterate any text, such as timber numbering or "blunt nose" etc. Could it be arranged so that the platform is always underneath any text? Hatching partially solves this, but even so, the text then becomes chopped up.That's a more involved program change than I can put in a quick scruff release. But I have added the option above to allow the platforms to be switched on and off more easily. Generally the platforms aren't needed at the same time as the timber numbers and guide marks. The numbers are needed when printing an actual construction template to use on the workbench, the platforms are needed when printing a full track plan to lay out on the baseboard.

I will look at moving the timber numbers above the platforms in the next full update, but it's not straightforward because the platforms are part of the rails printing function -- which have to be above the timbering obviously.

cheers,

Martin.

Here is 2.23.x  (not exhaustively tested, please report any issues):


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Hi Martin
I may have found a glitch.  When printing with 2.23x, I've lost the switch drive marks.  They're visible on screen, and the setting in the new Output elements window is ticked, but they don't appear on the printed copy.  They do with 2.23c.  I've just confirmed that by saving the box file in 2.23.x, swapping the .exe files back then opening the same box file and printing.

Either there's a bug, or I've missed something!

Cheers,

Paul

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Hi Paul, Ray,

Thanks for reporting that. I can confirm that the switch drive marks are missing on background templates (but OK on the control template) in 2.23.x   :(

Sorry about that, I will get it fixed as soon as poss. I've been afraid of this sort of thing happening more and more. My memory is now so bad that when I go blundering about in the code I leave unfinished loose ends and then forget to go back and tie them up again. I now spend hours and hours testing code changes to try to find any mistakes, but it's impossible to find everything.

Ray, you can remove the page corner text by unticking this menu item, but you will need to download the 2.23.x scruff version which I posted earlier in order to see it:   



In 2.23.c you can prevent that stuff showing by setting the font colour to white. You can use the same trick with any other text which you don't want to see.

But I'm wondering why you want to remove it? The printed output is intended to be an aid to track construction, it's not intended to look pretty. That's why they are called templates. :)

If you want something to look nice for display purposes or similar, you might do better to use one of the image file outputs, or maybe use the sketchboard.

cheers,

Martin.

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Martin

Thanks very much.

I'm not sure how the text I want to remove aids construction. The picture clearly shows the text cutting through the rails.....cutting along the red line doesn't help as the text (.....'This page begins.......') below the line remains. The only reason I want to remove it is because I don't like it, nothing more.  I don't want to lose anything else....just that. Incidentally, I can see that for large layouts the text tells one which sheets go next to each other......but for basic templates I don't think it is necessary.

In the meantime, I have just finished my first ever attempt at building my own track work....a 7mm OMF B7 crossover. All inspired by Templot (which, Martin, if I may say so, is a superb programme) and the efforts of others who have gone before me. The text didn't hinder me!

(Sorry if I have drifted from the main problem Paul highlighted).



Ray

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Hi Paul, Ray,

Here is another scruff release 2.23.w with the switch-drive marks fixed. :)

cheers,

Martin.

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Hull Paragon wrote: I'm not sure how the text I want to remove aids construction. The picture clearly shows the text cutting through the rails.....cutting along the red line doesn't help as the text (.....'This page begins.......') below the line remains. The only reason I want to remove it is because I don't like it, nothing more.
Hi Ray,

After the page has been trimmed to the red lines, all information about it would be lost. Before I added the big "wartermark" page ident numbers (which are optional), even the page number would be missing. If you have been doing a lot of Templot printing you can accumulate a big pile of printed pages. The information in the corners can be a help if you need to sort them out, or make a repeat print of one of them. See for example:

 http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_topic.php?id=3006&forum_id=3#p21380

It's in very small print to minimise obscuring the template detail, but if not wanted you can easily remove it as indicated in my previous post. The additional menu options in the scruff release will be in the next program update shortly.

cheers,

Martin.

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Martin Wynne wrote: Here is another scruff release 2.23.w with the switch-drive marks fixed. :)

Hi Martin, that's sorted it, thank you!
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Thanks again Martin.

I ought to know by now that everything in Templot is there for a reason!!

Ray

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One more thing if I may?

Whenever I print/output a track plan, the only indication I get of what will be printed is a skeleton outline. All of the things referred to in the posts above (print this/omit that etc) are only apparent after the page is printed.

Is there a print preview option that will show what is to be printed in a full page window and on how many sheets (a la Adobe Acrobat) before you press the button?

 

Thanks and regards

Ray

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Hull Paragon wrote: One more thing if I may?

Whenever I print/output a track plan, the only indication I get of what will be printed is a skeleton outline. All of the things referred to in the posts above (print this/omit that etc) are only apparent after the page is printed.

Is there a print preview option that will show what is to be printed in a full page window and on how many sheets (a la Adobe Acrobat) before you press the button?
Hi Ray,

You can see how many pages and how many on each row on the print preview dialog:




There isn't an option to see a preview of the actual output -- that's usually available on the printer driver if you need it:





Alternatively you could try a test export to a PDF file.

Many of the settings could also be seen by exporting an image file, or by going to the sketchboard and changing the trackplan item to detail mode.

However, I can see that it might be useful to have a direct page preview available in Templot. I will look at doing that in the next program update.

It isn't there now because even after all these years I haven't myself felt the need for it. But usually after adding a new feature I find myself using it frequently and wondering why I didn't do it years ago!  :)

cheers,

Martin.

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Thanks for your usual prompt and detailed response....much appreciated.

Regards

Ray
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Hull Paragon wrote: One more thing if I may?

Whenever I print/output a track plan, the only indication I get of what will be printed is a skeleton outline. All of the things referred to in the posts above (print this/omit that etc) are only apparent after the page is printed.

Is there a print preview option that will show what is to be printed in a full page window and on how many sheets (a la Adobe Acrobat) before you press the button?

 

Thanks and regards

Ray
Hi  Ray,


For what you're showing there,  I would at least move the page origin up a bit to get the template on two pages and possibly left to see if it would fit on one page.

Cheers Phil.



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Thanks. I was aware of this....the image (which came from another thread that Martin had responded to) was only to show an example of the print preview conversation and the spread of pages.....not the location of the template. But thanks for the thought!

Ray

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