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posted: 15 Nov 2008 16:17

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davelong
 
 

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Hi all

As I've been in the throws of designing a medium micro, I thought I'd post the details on here for you all to have a look through and see what you think. The layout is to be in the region on 45" long and 21" wide on the left handside but only 18" wide to the right hand side. With 2 fiddleyards either end. The fiddleyards will be a mixture of cassette, fixed track and traverser. It may be that the cassette and traverser may well be combined to work together, but I haven't got that far yet.

Background: Era the late 1970s with the ability to stray into the 80s without too much difficulty. Bascially the premise is to run 24s 25s 31s and 37s. It will be set somewhere in the Midlands and will therefore have a canal section, and a couple of goods unloading sheds. Small box vans will be the order of the day for the goods sheds mainly, but there will be plenty of goods passing through the layout and not stopping opening up many more options and a first for me the ability to accurately run 16t mineral wagons, which I've been wanting to do for ages after seeing many fine weathered examples of minerals I can't wait to have a go at making some really rusted up old wagons.
There is a small platform section which is designed to look as though there is more platform that disappears off stage, the platform on stage will take just over 1 length of dmu carriage.

The gauge is my now standard 00-SF and all the points on the layout are B6 which don't look too sharp, there are 2 of the B6s which are down at 31.7" but I'm happy to live with that after all its a micro layout. Only the odd parcel van or CCT will have bogies but should be fine.

There is plenty of scope for shunting with the use of fiddle yards both sides. With only the track at the top right not going off stage. The canal will flow front to back under the tracks with several holes in the upper level for light to shine down to the canal level. Where the canal meets the backscene I'm planning on cutting a hole in the backscene and covering the wood cut with a pipe bridge which will enter/exit from the grass embankments at the back.


There are a few scenic diagrams and a hand drawn image which may help you see the layout in better detail than just looking at the templot plan, but the templot plan is posted below for you to have a look over.
A link to the Rmweb site for original discussions.http://rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=32949


Kind regards

Dave
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posted: 15 Nov 2008 17:02

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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Hi Dave,

Looking good :thumb: -- thanks for posting the file. I noticed your topic on RMweb.

One point, I see you have set the turnouts to square-on timbering but left the timber ends centralized. Usually for modern square-on timbering the ends are in line -- real > timbering > timber ends in-line menu option. For older track you need photographic evidence to be sure.

I think perhaps I should make this an automatic change when changing to square-on timbering. Users could then change back to centralized ends if required.

Also:
The canal will flow front to back
Canals tend not to flow! :) :)

Recently a new pub was built alongside the Staffordshire and Worcestershire Canal in Kidderminster. The owners have called it "The Watermill". :?

regards,

Martin.

posted: 15 Nov 2008 17:33

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Thanks Martin

Freudian slip, regarding the canal. Unfortuntely I'm more than aware of the Watermill, it was pretty much my local when I still lived with my Parents in Kiddy. I do remember the was a bit of fuss about calling a pub the Watermill when it was built next to the canal!

Anyway thank you for the advice on the timbering. I've since decided that it's going to be set roughly somewhere along the old Dudley route probably just south of Wednesbury. An old LNWR route so would that fit in with the timbering you've mentioned.

 I've attached an photo believed to be quite early 80s of wednesbury.

style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffee"Dave

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posted: 15 Nov 2008 17:39

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JimH
 
Telford - United Kingdom

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Looking good Dave,

Had a look on the RM site as well, the layout certainly seems to have that "Black Country" industrial feel about it.

Should give you lots of scope for modelling all of the clutter and detritus that lays about in these kind of places.

Concerning:

The canal will flow front to back
Canals tend not to flow! :) :)


I remember on the Shropshire Union near to Brewood (at an interesting place called the Avenue locally) that there was a very definite flow on the canal - I seem to recall that it was designed that way to ensure it remained filled completely from it's river water source.

Cheers,

Jim

posted: 15 Nov 2008 18:06

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Thanks Jim

I've somehow managed to create something that I can really go to town on detail wise and still not make the layout completely overcrowded. I'll be really pleased if once it's finished that someone could come along and say ooh thats looks like the black country!

I think looking at this link to Wednesbury town goods shed http://www.railaroundbirmingham.co.uk/Stations/wednesbury_town.php bottom 2 photos the brickwork on the building is screaming grotty midlands industry, so I'm planning on using that style of building and brickwork colour to build the main goods unit on this layout, obviously slightly different and in low relief, but fingers crossed it'll look the part.

Thanks

Dave

posted: 15 Nov 2008 21:27

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Paul Boyd
 
Loughborough - United Kingdom

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Hi Dave

I've had a look at the box file, and the thread on RMWeb.  Your pencil sketch brings the layout to life - excellent stuff :) Regarding the canal, I have visions of a Tetley Mills sort of effect - is that the sort of thing you're after?

I'm intrigued by the use of an electric fly swat to create static grass.  I'd be interested to see how you get on with that idea - keep us up to date!

Cheers

Paul

posted: 16 Nov 2008 02:16

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Hi Paul

Thanks for the comments.

I'm struggling to remember Tetley mills, I know it was very atmospheric. I'm hoping for having the viewer bend down slightly to view the canal below the railway bridges and road bridge. I hoping to have a fairly ornate brick bridge for the road, and making use of plastruct girder sections for the railway bridges, but I want to be able to look under the bridges and have your eyes follow the towpath along the side of the canal all the way to the back. With the lighting system I'm hoping that I can get the light strong enough and shining from the right position so that I can have the canal covered in light (sunlight) in spots between the bridges.

I've got to get myself the metal sieve but I'll get that in the week and I'll get some static fibres from Warley. I've been wanting to try this out for ages, seeing some of the effects of static grass even from the noch puffer bottle they do look really good. Whether or not I use it for the canal embankments is another matter we shall see. I'm planning on a late Summer early Autumn for Long lane, where the grass will be a fairly yellowy colour, but still enough of summer left so that I can model trees with leaves as they'll be needed for a possible scenic break or two.

If anyone has any photos of Tetley mills I loved to see them and get reacquainted with the layout.

Dave

posted: 16 Nov 2008 03:08

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Nigel Brown
 
 

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Hi Dave

Just a thought. What sort of vans would have been around in the late 1970's? I'm no expert on this sort of thing but had a vague idea that by then BR stock would have been drastically simplified as regards type and the traffic they were used for

cheers
Nigel

posted: 16 Nov 2008 15:14

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Paul Boyd wrote:
I'm intrigued by the use of an electric fly swat to create static grass.  I'd be interested to see how you get on with that idea - keep us up to date!
Hi Paul,

Dave Smith shows an excellent step-by-step sequence on how to construct a static grass applicator from an electric fly swatter here:
 
http://railwaymodelling.fotopic.net/c1602617.html

Best Regards,

Brian Tulley

posted: 16 Nov 2008 15:16

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davelong wrote:
If anyone has any photos of Tetley mills I loved to see them and get reacquainted with the layout.
Hi Dave,

I should be able to help here - Tetley Mills appeared numerous times in Model Rail Magazine. I'll dig out the relevant articles today.

Best Regards,

Brian Tulley

posted: 16 Nov 2008 16:51

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davelong
 
 

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Hi Brian

Thanks for the link to Daves site. I think I've seen it before but for his section on how he's created his corrugated fencing, which is what I'd planned to fence the layout with.

I know international models do a variant of static flock which isn't so readily available in the UK which is supposed to be better than the noch stuff. The chap who built county gate also has an article about static grass. I'll hopefully build some test pieces by the end of next week.

Kind regards

Dave

posted: 16 Nov 2008 19:33

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Paul Boyd
 
Loughborough - United Kingdom

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Dave Smith shows an excellent step-by-step sequence on how to construct a static grass applicator from an electric fly swatter here:
http://railwaymodelling.fotopic.net/c1602617.html
Thanks for that link, Brian.  Duly bookmarked!


posted: 16 Nov 2008 20:35

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Alan Turner
 
Dudley - United Kingdom

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I built an applicator from the fly-swat sold by Maplin. No great problems and it works well. The only problem I did encounter was that I couldn't find a plastic framed tea strainer with a metal filter. I had to use a plastic strainer, cut out the plastic filter and use a metal strainer filter araldited (is there such a verb?) into the plastic frame.

 

Alan
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posted: 17 Nov 2008 18:41

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Hi Dave,

I have some A3 Colour photocopies (courtesy of the Print Room at work!) of two articles that appeared in Model Rail magazine, featuring the layout "Tetleys Mills" - if you remind me what your address is I'll post them to you today.

Best Regards,

Brian Tulley

posted: 17 Nov 2008 18:59

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Hi Brian

I sent you a PM.

Never tried it on this forum hope it gets to you.

Dave

posted: 16 Jan 2009 22:01

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Just a little update on this thread. Some of you may have read the rmweb thread for this little project. But I've updated the plan somewhat in templot, and shifted over to P4. A move to the dark side. I'm just finding my feet in the world of sprung W-irons and what make of wheels I should be using.

Anyway the plan hasn't changed all that much, just mde a few alterations with the finer track profiles and moved to top crossover more to the left to give a bit more room to the main wharehouse siding.

As It's mentioned here also, I managed to put together a flyswat electrostatic grass maker. A hell of a spark when you earth it after finishing up, really going make sure I don't touch that I'll sure know about it if I do!!

Plan attached once more, I haven't managed to tidy up the timbering since jigging it all around for P4, but that should be about the main adjusting left to do I think. Once I found a marine ply supplier this side of the Midlands things will get underway.

Kind regards

Dave
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16 Jan 2009 22:50

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Sorry guys I've added the wrong box file. It should have been this one!

 
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