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posted: 7 Oct 2015 19:05 from: Martin Wynne
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If you are running Templot via CrossOver or Winebottler on a Mac, perhaps you can help this user: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/103753-bypassing-templot-updates/#entry2045552 Martin. |
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posted: 7 Oct 2015 21:02 from: Dave Summers
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Hi Martin I have replied. For the information of any other Mac users, I've just upgraded to Templot v212a under Crossover v14.1.8 wth El Capitan as the OS. It runs fine as usual. Regards Dave |
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posted: 7 Oct 2015 21:11 from: Martin Wynne
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Many thanks Dave.  Just to clarify, can you confirm than none of your Templot files have been lost? regards, Martin. |
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posted: 7 Oct 2015 21:33 from: Dave Summers
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Martin Nothing has been lost. Regards Dave |
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posted: 7 Oct 2015 21:42 from: Martin Wynne
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Thanks again, Dave. So do we have any idea what is LooseHead's problem? Apart from the obvious one with that name. Sometimes I'm tempted to get a Mac, but then read all that Apple jargon.  Whereas if you want an alternative to Windows, Linux is just fine, and you can easily dual-boot on the same system if you wish. Martin. |
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posted: 7 Oct 2015 22:22 from: Dave Summers
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Martin I suspect that most of the cr*p messages are of Winebottler origin, not Apple. I found WB not at all user-friendly bad having escaped all of the MS constant updating and reconfiguring etc. I just wasn't going to go through all of the gobbledygook that WB seemed to present when things didn't go exactly right. Crossover has, for me, been the answer. It won't handle absolutely everything Windows but it fulfills my needs. I'm not interested in Command Line operation any more. How to help LH? Persuade him to buy CO perhaps? I bought it on offer for c€35 and it is sometimes on offer for less! Otherwise it's probably uninstall and reinstall WB and Templot. Regards Dave |
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posted: 7 Oct 2015 22:26 from: Simon Dunkley
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No problems here, either... BUT, the installer wants to put the latest version of Templot into a new bottle. I simply chose the existing one, and all was fine. However, many of the menu items have "empty" slots for non-existant menu items. |
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posted: 7 Oct 2015 22:34 from: Simon Dunkley
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Re point 9 from message 19148 : 9. When running under Wine on Linux / CrossOver all modal dialogs can now be escaped via the keyboard (ESC key). This is great, but do I have to have the dialog box (and for the Wine fonts) pop up every time I use Templot? |
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posted: 7 Oct 2015 22:53 from: Martin Wynne
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Simon Dunkley wrote: However, many of the menu items have "empty" slots for non-existent menu items.Hi Simon, Do you mean in CrossOver or in Templot? In Templot they are simply blank spaces in the menus. I thought some of the more frequently-used items would be easier to find with some blank space around them in the long menus. I can't quite fit "this space is intentionally left blank" in the available space, and if I did it wouldn't be. but do I have to have the dialog box (and for the Wine fonts) pop up every time I use Templot?At present yes. Sorry, I will see what I can do. But to be honest, I never understand this type of complaint. In a typical Templot session you will click the mouse hundreds of times over perhaps half-an-hour or more. Clearing these takes just 2 extra clicks, or pressing the ENTER key, in less than a second. But they are really quite important for anyone running it for the first time. Can you spare 2 clicks for your fellow modellers? regards, Martin. |
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posted: 9 Oct 2015 08:19 from: Simon Dunkley
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Thanks, Martin. On the first point, I was referring to Templot: no reason why I would raise purely Wine issue with you. I follow your thinking, but I cannot but help wondering if this is change for change's sake: as an established user, I prefer to find menu items more or less where they were in the previous version. What you have done is also different to every WIMP system I have used, so I and not sure it is easier. If I may (tongue firmly in cheek) paraphrase, I never understand this type of change. When something works, why do designers/developers feel the need to alter things? On the second point, it is not a problem to make two extra clicks, but I think you would appreciate the feedback - what happens now is I click on "continue" without even reading the dialog box, so it is an entirely superfluous two clicks. But you are right, I will click the mouse many hundreds of times in a session: I am not sure all of those clicks are necessary either. But you seem happy with Templot as it is, and it is free to use, so I will end there rather than suggest minor improvements to the user experience. Some of them will require a bit of time to mock-up boxes, click and radio buttons, and compose the surrounding message, and if the simple idea of following most systems by being able to disable a couple of boxes once they have been read is such an orchid alga, it won't be worth the effort. Regards, Simon |
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posted: 9 Oct 2015 08:40 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Simon, Sorry if you felt I was getting ratty. It's not possible to win. I had several reports of Wine users complaining that Templot stops dead. The problem is that Wine doesn't properly support Windows modal dialogs. A dialog waiting for a click can get hidden behind other windows. Easy if you know what has happened, and completely baffling if you don't. So I provide an escape mechanism, and a message to Wine users explaining it. But of course that's not enough work -- everyone then wants more, a mechanism to not see the message every time. Until of course it is so long since they last saw it that they have forgotten what it said, and complain that Templot stops dead... Likewise on the menus. Beginners have complained that they can't find the File menu, can't see how to Open a file or Save one. So I try to rearrange the menus to make things a bit clearer, and then established users complain that it is not the same as before. You just can't win -- but if everything was always the same as before, I may as well stop developing anything and leave Templot exactly as it was first released 15 years ago. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 9 Oct 2015 22:53 from: Jim Guthrie
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Martin, I had a quick look at the experimental Companion formats and all three worked well and appeared virtually instantaneously - running Win10 64bit 2.67 gigahertz Intel Core i5 750. I'm quite happy with all three versions but would go with the EXE version if asked to choose. I'm sort of getting used to the new menus. :-) Jim. |
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posted: 10 Oct 2015 02:33 from: Martin Wynne
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Simon Dunkley wrote:it is not a problem to make two extra clicks, but I think you would appreciate the feedbackHi Simon, Yes, thanks for the feedback. I have swapped the warning from two help messages to a single alert, so that it can use the normal program preferences option to avoid seeing it every time: 2_092122_520000001.png  In the next program update. 2_092122_520000000.png  regards, Martin. |
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