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Good evening, I'm trying to download a map from NLS but can't for the lif of me fathom how to locate the exact map I need form NLS. Whilst it seems wonderful and has the map I want, I can't locate it again!
I'm after the West London Line from Kensington High Street to the Cromwell Road/A4 bridge to the south on the 25" to the mile series, post-1945. It seems to stretch over 2 maps what I need, but as I said, I can't fathom it out at all. I have the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to computer things. It's taken me 10 years or more to try to work out Templot and have built a layout using it with help from here, but this one has me baffled.

Of course I then need to get that copied into Templot.

Any help is appreciated.

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roythebus wrote: Good evening, I'm trying to download a map from NLS but can't for the lif of me fathom how to locate the exact map I need form NLS. Whilst it seems wonderful and has the map I want, I can't locate it again!
I'm after the West London Line from Kensington High Street to the Cromwell Road/A4 bridge to the south on the 25" to the mile series, post-1945. It seems to stretch over 2 maps what I need, but as I said, I can't fathom it out at all. I have the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to computer things. It's taken me 10 years or more to try to work out Templot and have built a layout using it with help from here, but this one has me baffled.

Of course I then need to get that copied into Templot.

Any help is appreciated.
Hi Roy,

Is this the map you need? Bear in mind that I'm West of the Severn at all times. :)

Most of it seems to be in a tunnel, so not mapped (dated 1950):



What model scale are you using? I will capture it for you and post the Templot file.

cheers,

Martin.

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Hi Martin, thanks for the prompt reply. No, that's the wrong end of High Street Kensington. the West London Line runs further west. If you can find Addison Road/Olympia, I'm looking for the bit south of the road bridge towards the next road bridge which is Cromwell Road/A4. There is a huge curved warehouse to the west of the railway just north of the A4 road. the WLL runs north/south on gentle curves along the n/s axis.

I'm modelling in 00sf.

Thanks for your help as always.
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It would be interesting to see the plan for High Street in Templot 00sf as well, tunnels at each end, switchback goods yard..a good replacement for Minories? :)
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Hi Roy,

Well that was interesting. :) The 1952 map is available at 1:1250 scale, so I decided to capture it at zoom level 20 to get the full detail. That meant making 9 full-screen captures and merging them together. I then rotated it to have NW on the left, for easier track planning across the screen, and to allow for the closest rectangular cropping:





Shapes file linked here (scaled at 4mm/ft):

  https://85a.uk/roy_nls_west_london_1952.bgs3

Download it on your system (right-click, then Save), then drag and drop it onto the trackpad, or reload it into the background shapes in the usual way:



It is 43MB, so will take a few minutes to load into Templot.

The image is a massive 11127x2438 dots, but is working fine in Templot here. If you have any problems with zooming and panning over it let me know and I will split it into smaller sections.

If you needed more map area, let me know and I can capture a bit more.

Templot worked fine in capturing, combining and rotating it. But I discovered a few tweaks needed in the code, so thanks for posting. :)

cheers,

Martin.

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Thanks very much for that, I'll give it a try later on! I'm wondering how much space that will take in 00, maybe 30' or more.
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roythebus wrote: Thanks very much for that, I'll give it a try later on! I'm wondering how much space that will take in 00, maybe 30' or more.Hi Roy,

From the station footbridge to the West Cromwell Road bridge is 11300mm:



That's 11300mm = 445" = 37ft.

cheers,

Martin.

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Martin,

Maybe in the next version of Templot you could include a guaranteed Lottery number generator to pay for building these big layouts, and for the buildings needed to house them. :D:D:D:D:D:D

Jim.
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Yaay, but only if we're guaranteed the winning numbers. :)

Now, if we knock down the wall between the railway room and the garage, we have about 40' available...or move one of the buses out of the bus garage, we also have 40'. :)
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Jim Guthrie wrote: Maybe in the next version of Templot you could include a guaranteed Lottery number generator to pay for building these big layouts, and for the buildings needed to house them. :D:D:D:D:D:D
Hi Jim, Roy,

If I had a means to predict the lottery numbers, I doubt I would be sitting here writing this. :)

Don't forget it's easy to shrink the length of a map in Templot, and you can go a long way without making it unbuildable. It just requires a rotation first so that the tracks are mostly aligned horizontal (or vertical) to preserve the track gauge and spacings approximately, when shrunk lengthwise.

You can also use the wrap functions to curve a long straight map around the walls of a room.

Here I shrunk Roy's map lengthwise to fit in 24ft to the road bridge:




And then planning over it, even after shrinking this double junction it is still using B-7.5 and B-8 turnouts, and a 1:6 diamond-crossing (in 00-SF). All entirely reasonable for a model:



cheers,

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Looking at your shrunken plan it ought to be possible to lose the 7' off the left end by omitting Addison Road station! That's been modelled before. Compress the goods yard width-wise and lose another 18" off the bottom of the plan and it becomes do-able.

One of the earlier Os maps I looked at showed a number of very short sidings at the left end of the goods yard, maybe end loading ramps for either military use or getting stuff into the Olympia exhibition hall over the road.

The long warehouse on the right of the plan was Whiteleys Furniture depository. My grandfather whom I never met worked there as a carter in the late 1800s. The building was quite an impressive view from the WLL "Kenny Belle" with its KENSITAS advert along the building in the 1960s. It's now been cleaned up and converted to luxury flats.
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Having right clicked the link above, gone to shapes, reload, nothing happens. I'm using macbook via crossover.

The right click on your link brings up the file with the .txt suffix, a load of text, not a map. So it does not appear to load. I've tried placing the .txt file somewhere but that won't go anywhere either.

Is it possible to copy the map across from your link using a box file?
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On the mac I've had to save file to desktop.

Then go to Templot-shapes-fies-reload-look in myfiles, scroll down to my mac desktop.

ERROR, press ok.
Error message is check file and folder names and drive letter exist. If this is a save operation check available space on hard drive and memory on USB stick. If overwriting check it is not read only.

If this is a reload operation check the named file exists in drive.

I've tried to alter your link without the .txt on the end and exporting as a .bgs3 file, but no luck there either. Am I missing something on the "shapes" box?

Or is it the mac/windows/crossover interface not working?
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Hi Roy,

I'm sorry, I know nothing about Macs, someone else will have to jump in here.

You should be able to right-click on the link, and then save the file, like this:



Then navigate to a location which will be visible from Templot in CrossOver, and save the file.

In my experience with CrossOver on Linux, far and away the easiest way to transfer files to and fro is to save them on a USB stick or other external drive. External drives are easily visible from all operating systems.

Although it is a text-based file, don't rename it. Templot won't be able to load it if you change the BGS3 extension.

If all else fails, send me your street address by email. I will put a USB stick in the post with the file on it. It's just easier than trying to explain in a sea of fog. :?

(The file is too large for email, and even then you would still have to save it to a visible location.)

cheers,

Martin.

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Hi Martin, thanks very much for your help. I'm aware you're not into macintoshes :) or was it Macs, hopefully someone who is more Mac savvy may have the answer.

Meanwhile I'll try your suggestion of saving the file on a memory stick and let you know how i get on.

I suppose if what we try first doesn't work and we find an answer, it will help others in the future.
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Well I'm at a total loss to work out how to copy the file from a memory stick on my mac to Templot. there doesn't appear to be an easy facility to do so, maybe there is but under whatever the equivalent mac command is. are there any Mac savvy people out there who may have any suggestions?

I've copied the file from above to the memory stick, the file is visible in "finder" but I can't find out how to copy! I know it's not your forte Martin, anyone else help? thanks.
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OK, I've copied the file to wherever it copies to (computer memory), copied it to "shapes", right hand box "new item", drop it in there. I've tried all options in there but nothing happens.

I've tried all sorts to drop it on the trackpad but can't find anything on there to "paste". Awaiting a Mac specialist. I'll try a search on the mac help sites to see what they suggest.
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roythebus wrote: I've copied the file from above to the memory stick, the file is visible in "finder" but I can't find out how to copy! I know it's not your forte Martin, anyone else help? thanks.Hi Roy,

If you can see the file listed, you should be able to drag and drop it onto the Templot trackpad.

Unfortunately I don't know if drag-and-drop works on a Mac.

cheers,

Martin.

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It seems drag and drop will work on mac but not across to windows based stuff.

Is there any particular bit of track pad that it should be dropped to? Maybe one of the other mac users here has discovered something

Cheers again! roy.
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It seems drag and drop will work on mac but not across to windows based stuff.

Is there any particular bit of track pad that it should be dropped to? Maybe one of the other mac users here has discovered something. I can pick up the /txt file to copy it, but wneh I go to trackpad and right click to drop the file it comes up with the trackpad menu. This is where I get stuck, maybe there's a command there I'm missing.

Cheers again! roy.
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roythebus wrote: I can pick up the /txt file to copy it, but wneh I go to trackpad and right click to drop the file it comes up with the trackpad menu.
Hi Roy,

Don't right-click. To drop a file, just release the mouse. Anywhere on the blue area of the trackpad.

I will make a screenshot on Ubuntu in a while.

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So to copy the file I have to right click it, keep it clicked until it's on the trackpad?
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roythebus wrote: So to copy the file I have to right click it, keep it clicked until it's on the trackpad?Hi Roy,

Not right-click.

Move mouse over it. Press and hold down the left button. Drag it over the trackpad. Let go.

I've just checked using CrossOver/Wine/Ubuntu and it's working fine there, so ought to work on a Mac.

Don't do it too fast -- give the system a chance to follow what you are doing.

I need to install some Linux screen capture software to make a video on there. But first a meal.

cheers,

Martin.

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Just tried that, I get an error message, the .txt file is not supported (on the trackpad page.)
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roythebus wrote: Just tried that, I get an error message, the .txt file is not supported (on the trackpad page.)Hi Roy,

The file you are trying to load in Templot is not a .txt file. It should be a BGS3 file. If you have renamed it, change it back, then try again. The file is:

 roy_nls_west_london_1952.bgs3

If that's not the file, download it from:

 https://85a.uk/roy_nls_west_london_1952.bgs3

(Right-click on the link above, click / Save As / Save Target As / Save Link As / according to your browser.)

At least the error message proves that drag-and-drop works. :)

cheers,

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Thanks, this was mentioned in messages 12-14 that ended up with the .txt suffix.

I'll try to download from the new link later, just off to work rail replacement buses for the weekend. Deep joy, Wembley Park to Finchley Road!

Thanks again for your patience.
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Hi Martin, having recovered form a long weekend driving in london, I've tried renaming the file you sent above. The system won't let me rename the .txt file as a .bgs file. The message is that it can only be opened in a different application.

I done a search of the files and mac won't or can't find it in "finder". anyone else got any ideas?
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roythebus wrote: Hi Martin, having recovered form a long weekend driving in london, I've tried renaming the file you sent above. The system won't let me rename the .txt file as a .bgs file. The message is that it can only be opened in a different application.

I done a search of the files and mac won't or can't find it in "finder". anyone else got any ideas?
Hi Roy,

I'm lost. How did it get to be a .txt file in the first place? The download is a BGS3 file. Here is the link again for the 3rd time:

 https://85a.uk/roy_nls_west_london_1952.bgs3

If your browser asks what to do with it, click Save.

If you can wait a week or two until I can get the next program update released, Templot will download the file and load it all by itself. What the Mac thinks about it, or your browser, or CrossOver, won't come into it. It will be a private matter between the Templot program and the Templot web site. :)

cheers,

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Hi Martin, Mac doesn't give the option to"save". It can download, but nothing as simple as save! I'll play around for a bit longer and see what I can find.
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I can open tab in new window, open link in new tab, download linked file, download linked file as, add link to bookmarks, add to reading list, copy list, share and services. Maybe try as bookmark!
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Deep joy, that worked at last. "Finder" was for some reason adding the .txt to the search.

I done the "download linked file" and it appeared in the downloads section complete with the Templot logo next to it. Dragged it across and it started to download. It now appears on my trackpad and hopefully ready to do seem planning..

Many thanks for your patience, how do you keep calm? Maybe you've got a collection of those tea cups.

Hopefully all is not in vain of it helps somebody else in future.

All I have to do now is remember how to place the peg on where i want to start planning from!
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I really need a refresher course on this! Having downloaded and saved the map as a box file under earlscourt1.box , managed to get a template to start.

I've forgotten how to move the initial peg to on the background map. went out of Templot to do something else came back into it and now can't get the background map to re-load so I can move the peg onto it. Trouble is my memory is fading with age!
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Hi Roy.
Saving the box file does not save the background shapes as you have discovered the hard way. I was going to say make sure you save the BGS3 file in the shapes folder before you lose it. Too late.
To do so open the background shapes window, select the files menu and select save all. You will have to reload the map from your downloads folder now.

I had a bit of a similar saga recently myself.
Regards
Tony.

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Please do not send requests for help direct to me via email or PM.

Post your questions on the forum where everyone can see them and add helpful replies.
Tony W wrote: I was going to say make sure you save the BGS3 file in the shapes folder before you lose it. Too late.
Hi Tony, Roy,

If you quit Templot without having saved a shapes file, Templot suggests that you do so before closing:



However, that doesn't happen if you have loaded a shapes file and not subsequently changed anything -- for the logical reason that you already have a file, and saving another one will merely duplicate it.

Whether that's entirely logical after loading a downloaded file or drag-and-dropping one, I'm not sure. Because although yes you have a file, it seems a lot of users don't have the faintest idea where on their system it is. :?

I can add yet more "are you sure?" messages, but experienced users do find them very tiresome.

Roy, just drag and drop it again. In future this is the option you need: "download linked file as" -- you will then be able to check the file name, and see where it is being saved to, and/or change it. Make a note of it before you click OK.

If you had mentioned that option earlier, I could probably have saved you a lot of bother.

p.s. to put the control template at a specified location on the grid, on the geometry menu:



cheers,

Martin.

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Thanks Martin, I managed to reload the map bgs file and start again. I found how to move the control template using the roam facility to make a start and have been playing around with the plan for an hour or so.

I reckon the bit I hope to make will be about 7m long between the bridge centres. I have about 7m in the layout room, maybe a bit more, so with a bit of compression won't lose too much. The width will have to be compromised though. Let's see how it goes.
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I managed to finish off the rough version of the plan! I find the "mirror on peg" function very useful.

If I can find how to share the box file here I'll post it across. Thanks everyone for your help.
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Having now found out from Martin via RMweb how to copy the box file across, let's give it a try with EarlscourtJunction!
roythebus wrote: I managed to finish off the rough version of the plan! I find the "mirror on peg" function very useful.

If I can find how to share the box file here I'll post it across. Thanks everyone for your help.


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