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Not much in the way of gently sweeping curves here!



High Level Coal Railway, Liverpool


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That abominable track is just crying out to be modelled, once I’ve worked out just what’s going on!
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Was that a single-slip before they eliminated one side of it? I can't work what it's supposed to do :)
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No I don't get the idea behind the track layout either. There is more info on the building of the Coal Railway here for anybody interested.

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Andrew Barrowman wrote: Was that a single-slip before they eliminated one side of it? I can't work what it's supposed to do :)I've got a feeling that it still is a single slip, of a horrible design. If you look at the rail in the middle of the pic which looks like a check rail, I've an idea it functions as either a check rail or a running rail. I think it has switches both ends, which allow it to switch from one to the other. I presume it manages to maintain acceptable gauge when used as a running rail...

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Paul Boyd wrote: That abominable track is just crying out to be modelled, once I’ve worked out just what’s going on!It's interesting, but not too difficult to see. It's a very short-angle single slip, with a right-hand switch in one of the diamond legs. Here's a quick Templot sketch of such a thing:



If we can find it on NLS it might be possible to make a proper plan. :)

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Very nice Martin.

My guess is if anyone wants to model this it better be close to "true scale" - P4 or similar perhaps?
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The map is here


Coal branch is 1/4 of the way up on left edge crossing Fulton Street.

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Andrew Barrowman wrote: My guess is if anyone wants to model this it better be close to "true scale" - P4 or similar perhaps?To model it accurately from the map, yes.

Otherwise not necessarily -- such delights are seen on narrow-gauge industrial lines. But it would be trickier with overscale flangeways, such as in 00-BF.

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Rob Manchester wrote: Coal branch is 1/4 of the way up on left edge crossing Fulton Street.

Rob
Thanks Rob.

Here I think is the actual bit of it in the photo:

 https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19&lat=53.42588&lon=-3.00029&layers=168&b=1

Anyone? Put that link in Templot and off you go... :)



The OS cartographer seems to think the crossover road is 3-rail. :)

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p.s. here's the later 1924 map:

 https://maps.nls.uk/view/126523067#zoom=7&lat=2824&lon=15636&layers=BT

Still with a 3-rail crossover.

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What's wrong with 3-rail? Reversing loops are a dawdle.
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I've had a quick dabble at this, trying to match the 1964 photo to the 1924 map.

It's not as outlandish as it looks:








Unfinished BOX file below if anyone wants to do more with it.

I fudged some 1:18 switches using half-diamonds, the short slip road is just a bit of plain track, and there is still a V-crossing to add and a curved crossover at the bottom. The check rails need doing, but fortunately no timbering is needed (see photo) and no chairing for the FB rails.

BGS3 map file to follow.

cheers,

Martin.

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Here's the map (for 4mm/ft scale).

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That's certainly an interesting box file - I have to find an excuse to incorporate that into something somehow.  I guess only short wheelbase 4-wheel locos were used on that!
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Not even sure about that. There is a capstan to the left of the picture.
Regards
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Tony W wrote: Not even sure about that. There is a capstan to the left of the picture.
Good point!
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Clearly too many of us haven't got a lot to do at the moment but jolly good stuff all the same :)

Seriously it's quite remarkable how all of this comes together. Could any of us have imagined it fifty years ago?

I was involved in some quite advanced computer/computing stuff about fifty years ago. We used to speculate about where all this might lead but we were much too pessimistic.

(I did find a defect in a well-known Intel device before they did. The Nobel Prize has, thus far, failed to show-up, but you never know.)
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Tangential extremely silly thought:

Dinner suits seem to be the right thing if you have to go to Sweden but could wear my kilt instead? I do have the knees you know.
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Post 13,now that would be a interesting build to add.
Increase the minimum radii to 2.40 meters.(for my garden that is)
Let it slide into my main line directly from the "storage shed"
Would save room, have a better transition, some trouble and better looks.

Thanks for the idea
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