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posted: 10 Sep 2020 20:28 from: Nigel Brown click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Not much in the way of gently sweeping curves here! High Level Coal Railway, Liverpool Nigel |
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posted: 10 Sep 2020 21:20 from: Paul Boyd
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That abominable track is just crying out to be modelled, once I’ve worked out just what’s going on! | ||
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posted: 10 Sep 2020 22:26 from: Andrew Barrowman
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Was that a single-slip before they eliminated one side of it? I can't work what it's supposed to do  |
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posted: 10 Sep 2020 23:27 from: Rob Manchester
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No I don't get the idea behind the track layout either. There is more info on the building of the Coal Railway here for anybody interested. Rob |
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posted: 10 Sep 2020 23:54 from: Nigel Brown click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Andrew Barrowman wrote: Was that a single-slip before they eliminated one side of it? I can't work what it's supposed to doI've got a feeling that it still is a single slip, of a horrible design. If you look at the rail in the middle of the pic which looks like a check rail, I've an idea it functions as either a check rail or a running rail. I think it has switches both ends, which allow it to switch from one to the other. I presume it manages to maintain acceptable gauge when used as a running rail... Nigel |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 00:35 from: Martin Wynne
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Paul Boyd wrote: That abominable track is just crying out to be modelled, once I’ve worked out just what’s going on!It's interesting, but not too difficult to see. It's a very short-angle single slip, with a right-hand switch in one of the diamond legs. Here's a quick Templot sketch of such a thing: 2_101931_030000000.png  If we can find it on NLS it might be possible to make a proper plan. cheers, Martin. |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 01:01 from: Andrew Barrowman
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Very nice Martin. My guess is if anyone wants to model this it better be close to "true scale" - P4 or similar perhaps? |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 01:08 from: Rob Manchester
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The map is here Coal branch is 1/4 of the way up on left edge crossing Fulton Street. Rob |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 01:12 from: Martin Wynne
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Andrew Barrowman wrote: My guess is if anyone wants to model this it better be close to "true scale" - P4 or similar perhaps?To model it accurately from the map, yes. Otherwise not necessarily -- such delights are seen on narrow-gauge industrial lines. But it would be trickier with overscale flangeways, such as in 00-BF. cheers, Martin. |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 01:21 from: Martin Wynne
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Rob Manchester wrote: Coal branch is 1/4 of the way up on left edge crossing Fulton Street.Thanks Rob. Here I think is the actual bit of it in the photo: http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19&lat=53.42588&lon=-3.00029&layers=168&b=1 Anyone? Put that link in Templot and off you go... 2_102025_290000000.jpg  The OS cartographer seems to think the crossover road is 3-rail. cheers, Martin. |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 01:44 from: Martin Wynne
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p.s. here's the later 1924 map: http://maps.nls.uk/view/126523067#zoom=7&lat=2824&lon=15636&layers=BT Still with a 3-rail crossover. |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 03:19 from: Andrew Barrowman
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What's wrong with 3-rail? Reversing loops are a dawdle. | ||
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 13:39 from: Martin Wynne
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I've had a quick dabble at this, trying to match the 1964 photo to the 1924 map. It's not as outlandish as it looks: 2_110813_290000000.png  2_110813_520000000.png  2_110834_520000000.png  Unfinished BOX file below if anyone wants to do more with it. I fudged some 1:18 switches using half-diamonds, the short slip road is just a bit of plain track, and there is still a V-crossing to add and a curved crossover at the bottom. The check rails need doing, but fortunately no timbering is needed (see photo) and no chairing for the FB rails. BGS3 map file to follow. cheers, Martin. |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 13:41 from: Martin Wynne
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Here's the map (for 4mm/ft scale). |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 19:10 from: Paul Boyd
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That's certainly an interesting box file - I have to find an excuse to incorporate that into something somehow. I guess only short wheelbase 4-wheel locos were used on that! | ||
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 21:39 from: Tony W
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Not even sure about that. There is a capstan to the left of the picture. Regards Tony. |
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posted: 11 Sep 2020 21:46 from: Paul Boyd
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Tony W wrote: Not even sure about that. There is a capstan to the left of the picture.Good point! |
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posted: 12 Sep 2020 05:47 from: Andrew Barrowman
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Clearly too many of us haven't got a lot to do at the moment but jolly good stuff all the same Seriously it's quite remarkable how all of this comes together. Could any of us have imagined it fifty years ago? I was involved in some quite advanced computer/computing stuff about fifty years ago. We used to speculate about where all this might lead but we were much too pessimistic. (I did find a defect in a well-known Intel device before they did. The Nobel Prize has, thus far, failed to show-up, but you never know.) |
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posted: 12 Sep 2020 05:56 from: Andrew Barrowman
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Tangential extremely silly thought: Dinner suits seem to be the right thing if you have to go to Sweden but could wear my kilt instead? I do have the knees you know. |
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posted: 15 Sep 2020 17:57 from: Igor Kurgan
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Post 13,now that would be a interesting build to add. Increase the minimum radii to 2.40 meters.(for my garden that is) Let it slide into my main line directly from the "storage shed" Would save room, have a better transition, some trouble and better looks. Thanks for the idea |
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